Necropsy reveils: starvation and PARASITES... help plz

[Zynx_Keekeio]

So I decicded I would try and help and friend of my friend, by saving her geckos, I've been force feeding them zillas version of nurtical.

there were two geckos
a patty
and a blizzard

the patty I couldn't get to open it's mouth on the third day and it lost 3 grams in less than 12 hrs. it weiged 6 grams when I put it to sleep and should have weighed at least 25 grams

so I had it disected and it reveiled starvation (obviously) and parasites.

so now I have the blizzard whose weight has been jumpy
12.8
13.2
14
9
13
13.3
12
11

questions I have now are
is there hope for this gecko
what should I do?
can the items it touched be bleached and still be reused for other geckos
is a parasite the same thing that makes up Crypto

the lady wants to buy one of my hatchlings but I'm afriad the items she ammoniad will still have parasite and kill my hatchling

what should I do?

 

[GeckoTrouble]

VET VET VET seriously the only chance is to get medication to treat the parasites.

If this woman let these first geckos get to this situation, she has no business buying any more.

parasites cover a HUGE range of stuff from worms to crypto etc etc etc That's where the vet comes in to take a fecal sample, diagnose the kind of parasites and then prescribe treatment.

Oh and QUARANTINE!!!!!

 

[Allee Toler]

I use Panacur (dosed by my vet) so I would talk to your local vet about it. But of coarse, you need to know what kind.

I agree, vet is a must. You know that the "survivor" has the same parasites as the one who passed, tell the vet, and seek a treatment.

 

[robin]

the necropsy should have revealed what the parasite was. was the necropsy done by a vet?

 

[Bongo]

He needs to go to a vet.

 

[gitrdone0420]

I have to agree with everyone else! Vet!
They have degrees in order to help animals in this type of situation, so I would definetely utilize that.
Good luck and let us know how it goes!

Also, I would be a little skeptical in selling a new leo to this lady. I think she may need more lessons in husbandry?

 

[Gregg M]

Here is the deal with parasites...
Despite what many breeders and keepers say or think, EVERY reptile, captive bred or wild caught, will have some type of parasite load... It does not matter how well you keep your reptile or how many times you dose it up with panacure or other parasite meds... They get it from their food and from the water they drink... It is as unavoidable as it is natural...

In the majority of cases, the parasite or parasites are kept under control by the reptiles immune system... The numbers of parasites are usually small enough to be just about undetectable...

If you think about it, parasites would never be as successful as they are if they killed their host... Parasites are not supposed to kill their host...

Parasites will only become a problem if the reptiles immune system is somehow compromised... Immune systems are weakend by stress... Stress is brought on by poor husbandry...

The bottom line is, if you are not keeping your reptiles properly, you will have issues with the health of your reptile...

This friend of a friend should be taught proper husbandry before this friend of a friend is given a new leo...

 

[robin]

gregg, i have a friend of a friend too <_<

 

[Gregg M]

gregg, i have a friend of a friend too <_<

Dont we all??? LOL

 

[JordanAng420]

I actually have to agree with Gregg here. I'd say about 95% of the reptile fecals i've examined EVER have always had some kind of parasite. And honestly, even after the animal is dewormed, all it does it just lessen the amount of parasites lingering in the intestinal tract and colon...they're still there though. I'm pretty sure ALL of my geckos have at least a few pinworms here and there and maybe some coccidia. It's correct when he stated that it has everything to do with the immune system and not much to do with the parasite itself.

There ARE instances when parasite overload can kill a host, without the animal being systemically compromised...this usually happens with hatchlings or much older animals...animals whos immune systems are not fully developed or are weakened with age...

Let's first find out what KIND of parasite they thought the animal had. How many oocysts per high power field did they see? I mean, this can really make a difference if it's 2 or 20...Go ahead and bleach everything you have. And honestly if it were me, I would just keep doing what you're doing and keep track of the weight constantly.

 

[Zynx_Keekeio]

the necropsy should have revealed what the parasite was. was the necropsy done by a vet?

no it wasn't done by a vet it was done my an older gentlmen who did it for free to show my friends how to disect reptiles, and I just asked him to tell me so I could tell the lady what to do

He also said vet
and I agree
Ive been washing my hands and wearing gloves and I just hope none of my reptiles get it, I've been super careful

 

[Zynx_Keekeio]

gregg, i have a friend of a friend too <_<

lol

 

[Zynx_Keekeio]

Okay I shall ask that

He said that deworming now would be a lost cause and that all I could do is just keep force feeding it, and since I don't want to pay for the vet bill....... well it appears as though I won't be selling my Bell albino to her.

The only thing is that these two she got, she hadn't gotten to long ago. She got them both from the same person.

She also showed me a mealworm she had found in her batch of breeding mealworms and it had these black sticks coming out of its side, like 4 extra legs

OH and I went over the cage setup with her and it appears as though she had them on but i got her to get them on papertowels, she had a heat lamp on one side and an UTH on the other, I said to take the heat lamp off, but as for everthing else, its correct, I mean above and beyond correct, Three hides per gecko, more than one water dish, nice size cage.

She also has gotten other things from this same person and they never ate for her and eventually died (that being said, I have bought something from this person and it's as healthy as can be, the sister to this blizzard)

Though I do happen to know that that breeder doesnt queatine and I bought the sister of the persons blizzard several months before she did.

Uhh It could be so many things

all in all, she said she is her own vet but I think your right, fecal exam and vet visit. THe guy who did the necrospys on the reptiles, recommended a vet to me.

I think thats everything

 

[robin]

hmm just a regular dissection would not show parasites (those would be more on a microscopic level). as far as starvation, that is more of an observational look (ya don't even need to dissect an animal for that). i have dissected geckos and snakes and while it is very interesting most illnesses and parasites can not be found with a dissection alone, a full necropsy with histopathology is where they MIGHT find the answer as to why the animal died.

sounds like a crock of poo. as far as i am concerned if you have ANY reservations about the potential buyer. don't sell. period.

 

[GeckoTrouble]

I'm sorry, but the older gentleman knows jack and is not a vet.

If you do not treat the parasites, then force feeding does nothing but feed the parasites!!!
If you are not willing to take this poor animal to the vet and pay the $20-30 it will cost for fecals and meds then please find someone who will.

 

[JordanAng420]

Not to be adding fuel to the fire but....what kind of qualifications does this "older gentleman" have that allow him to be giving medical advice and performing necropsies on deceased animals who's owners are searching for a definative diagnosis? I HOPE you didn't pay him anything, because if he charged you that's an entirely different situation i'd like to take up with the appropriate authority figures...How far exactly did he go with this veterinary advice that he gave you???

Unfortunately, without a VETERINARY pathologist's diagnosis you will never know what exactly was the cause of your geckos death.

 

[Zynx_Keekeio]

you people are so difficult!! i wasn't charged anything for the necropsy, I didn't know there was a difference between disection and necropsy but he did in fact do a necropsy AND HE EVEN SAID there is only so much he can do and to find the exact parasite and vet would be what he highly recommended!

THIS IS NOT MY GECKO.....

okay nextly the lady has other geckos and they are doing great! she rescued them, it's just these three she got from the same breeder who are messing up.

I thought since I'm homeschooled I could help forcefees since she works. so that's how I'm taking care of them

now back to the guy who did the necropsy, his qaulifications are he is the head of the reptile club/zoo thingy and he teaches classes on reptiles and different species and there diets as well as the many years of experience with his own reptiles.... except for the equipment ability, he probably knows as much as a vet!
Jimmy something is his name ( I watched him teach a class on tv once)

he did it for free!!!

now then!

back off your britches people and quit jumping on this so harshly like flies on dung!

yes the gecko is starving but I think this lady is very responsibly with her animals otherwise she wouldn't be asking for help
in fact she probably would be willing to do a fecal! she has Ben willing to buy all the other stuff as well as make her own slurry and force feed her geckos but I have more resources so I thought I could help more especially if I had you guys to help!


oh and the guy says there's a chance it's samonella.

now then WHY DOES EVERYONE JUMP ON EVERYONE FOR TRYING TO FIND THE RIGHT ANSWERS!? oooo this forum is so judgemental all the time I see it!
okay I'm through

 

[JordanAng420]

Wow nobody's being judgemental. I'm done.

 

[JordanAng420]

WHAT exactly are you upset about? We gave you the advice we thought was appropriate! Nobody criticized YOU, only the man that did the necropsy...and we have every right to seeing as how you're asking for our further help with your remaining gecko.

The reason I asked you if you were charged is because if he DID charge you for the necropsy is because it's against the law if he did. It's called practicing medicine without a licence.

OH and the guy says it's a chance that it could be salmonella? Reptiles don't give each other salmonella. Just an FYI. I can give you SEVERAL instances of reptiles killing HUMANS from salmonella. But not other reptiles. So nope, that's not an option, IMO. But hey, don't take my word for it...:main_rolleyes:

As far as the necropsy...I don't know what "the head of the reptile/zoo thingy" is. I don't care. As far as i'm concerned, unless you're a LICENCED veterinarian, you DON'T know as much as a veterinarian would. These people work HARDER than you think for their medical licence.

 

[Gregg M]

Chill out Haley... People are trying to help and are looking out for the best interest of the geckos... Try not to take it too personally... No one is against you here... The Leo should see a vet...

Even though I do not disagree that most reptile breeders may know as much or more than your average vet when it comes to reptiles, a proper necropsy and fecal exam should be done by a vet or lab...

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