NEW COLOR MORPH! Cremesicle...

[trizzypballr]

I still question what actully makes an enigma an enigma. There are a few enigma look alikes now. How do we know if its actully an enigma or a look alike, how do we know the enigmas and the 'look alikes' arnt actully 1 and the same?

 

[paulnj]

Here's JMG's reply

http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?cat=10&de=491613

 

[Gregg M]

I still question what actully makes an enigma an enigma. There are a few enigma look alikes now. How do we know if its actully an enigma or a look alike, how do we know the enigmas and the 'look alikes' arnt actully 1 and the same?

Whats is there to question??? The Enigma did not originate from Macks... Have you had a close look at a non-albino Enigmas eyes??? Have you seen an albino Enigmas eyes??? Have you seen the tail of an Enigma??? Have you seen a hatchling Enigma???

If you have seen an Enigma in person, you will see exactly what separates them from the other morphs visually...

Besides the out side, what is going on in an Enigma is NOTHING like a Mack snow...

So, what makes an Enigma??? The genetics are what makes them... They are comparable with any other morph and no other morph can make one... They are their own genetic mutation just like blizzards are their own and albinos are their own...

 

[trizzypballr]

I havent seen an enigma in person yet. I know it was said that they are their own Dominate gene, but havent heard much besides that. Your pretty much saying the only way to visibly tell an enigma apart is by the eyes? That is the real question I am asking.

 

[Gregg M]

I havent seen an enigma in person yet. I know it was said that they are their own Dominate gene, but havent heard much besides that. Your pretty much saying the only way to visibly tell an enigma apart is by the eyes? That is the real question I am asking.

Nope, you can tell from hatchling pattern, small amount or no tail pattern at all... Even head and body shape seems to be a bit different... The eyes are a dead give away...

Basically what I am saying is that they are actually pretty easy to distinguish from other morphs and even the best "look alikes"...All I am saying is that if you know leo morphs well, there should be no confusion...

Seriously, you cant see the difference in Enigmas when put next to another morph???

 

[trizzypballr]

LoL Im not to good with the enigma morph yet oviously

 

[Gregg M]

LoL Im not to good with the enigma morph yet oviously

You need to check out some more pictures of them brother... LOL

 

[eyelids]

That Orange Creamsicle is HOT! Way to go JMG!

 

[Gregg M]

That Orange Creamsicle is HOT! Way to go JMG!

I second that...:main_thumbsup:

 

[trizzypballr]

Its pretty cool, if it wasnt 450 id pick it up

 

[tribalxgecko]

Maybe it's just me, but I think they have every right to call them cremescicles, whether for marketing purposes or not. I'm not so sure if it should be considered a 'morph', as I generally associate 'morphs' with genetic details. In this case a mack snow / hypo. But considering their looks, the cremescicle name is perfect. I think somebody else mentioned it as well, but they do have a stronger more unique cremescicle type of look than what some of the others posted in comparison here. And its been proven for sometime. Granted, it is just one more name to throw into the mix.... but thats going to just keep happening anyway. Regardless, the are great looking geckos, and I knew it was only a matter of time before the cremescicle moniker found a home among leos

And i would have spelled it creamscicle, but oh well.

 

[GroovyGeckos.com]

I cannot speak for anyone else, but I am not "upset" about this.

It is just the term "new morph" AND something being offered for what looks like an extra amount of money. I just thought that is normally how the SH Macks looked and are progressing. The orange one is real neat(maybe Mack Pastel-ish?), and I LOVE their Snow Enigmas.:main_thumbsup:

I do not know what to say about the Enigma looking one, are they saying that these geckos will look like those (Enigma-like ones)? I do not even know what a majority of my H/SHMacks look like now, I kept only one male, and sold several others. No reports w/ pictures. I can`t really say.:main_huh: I will be hatching my first eggs from SH Mack X Hypo Mack soon, though.:main_cool3:

At least they are being honest about what is behind it. Thats really all we can hope everyone does in this hobby.

 

[marula]

i have some of their mack hypo snow (and 2 of them look like their creamsicle adult posted in kingsnake)..i never breed them so if they mantein the colour after breeding i can't be able to know now.
i'm sure that their mack hypo look different from others that i see (from others bloodline...and this is the reason why i choice their hypo macks) and i think they can call them with a special name if they see that they look different (and after 3 generation of good hatchling)
i'm sure that jmg don't whant ruin the reputation with a common and stupid way to make money...
i see their macks last pics in kingsnake (the pics of orange macks) and i think they do a really nice work with a morph with not too many possibilities.
btw...
there are people that live with this business, so i respect who have the correct care of their animals..all animals that i received from them was healthy and eat like pigs..they growup nice and all them are the right animal for the price that i was spend..
i don't know them in person, but i have something like 10 geckos from them and i'm really happy to do business with them.

 

[KelliH]

I'm not loosing sleep over any of it and don't care either way. All I was saying is that those geckos look like some nice Super Hypo Macks/Ghosts, which basically JMG has confirmed that's what they are. They are pretty geckos.

BTW, Enigmas and Super Hypo Macks sometimes have some similar traits (Enigmas are highly variable), but they are obviously not related in any way, shape or form.

 

[GeckoGuru]

That Orange Creamsicle is HOT! Way to go JMG!

Yes, it is a nice gecko, but not anything spectacular. I can hardly agree with the gecko's price tag though. I guess I am just kind of put off by JMG, I won't get into details, but they have rubbed me in the wrong way in the past.

I don't think that they should have compared them to enigmas like they did, might give some people the wrong ideas. Anyway, I would of course much rather have an enigma than a "cremesicle"!

I hope I didn't offend anyone by being bold.

 

[LeosForLess]

I am an Enigma

 

[eyelids]

I am an Enigma

Not proven though right??? :main_laugh: Or maybe you have a love child out there... :main_lipsrsealed:

 

[Gregg M]

All I know is if I did not have the male I got from JMG, I dont think that SH mack I produced would be as cool as it is... I would imagine the one one I produced would be considered a 2nd generation... Now when I breed that male to the awesome SH Mack I got from Kelli, things are going to head in a very good direction for me with this project... With a combo of 3 or 4 strong, top quality blood lines, you cant go wrong...

I just think that this shows just how great selective breeding with just about any morph can be... And when you think you have done all you can with a particular morph, the next season might make you think twice...

And as far as price goes, it may not be worth much to some people, but to others, it would be worth every penny to advance their project...

GeckoGuru, I dont think you were being bold... You were being honest and thats all anyone can ask from someone... I seriously doubt you offended anyone...:main_thumbsup:

 

[GeckoGuru]

GeckoGuru, I dont think you were being bold... You were being honest and thats all anyone can ask from someone... I seriously doubt you offended anyone

Thanks Gregg! I wish you the best of luck with your SH Mack Snow project!

 

[skmcwilliams]

Hey Gregg M. It was funny because the first one I saw advertised I though it looked exactly like the one you kept showing off, that must have made you cringe a little to see that Anway gorgeous all around.