NEW COLOR MORPH! Cremesicle...

[robin]

and dan of course i got to keep everyone on their toes

 

[tribalxgecko]

I don't think it's the same with super hypo albinos at all. All three are coined diff names due to the different albino strains...

I really have not paid a whole lot of attention the past year+ to this, but are you sure? I have seen Sunglow used for bells and trempers, I have seen hybino used for all three. Hyglo seems to be just tremper, but has the giant gene in there, thus making it different. But that is the same as this case, since it is basicaly a giant hybino (tremper), but A&M tagged it with 'Hyglo'. I think Kelli was the first to tag the name Hybino, and others just used their own names, and this whole sort of conversation happened then too.

Same could be said about Tornado's, which reminds a lot of this whole creamscicle thing. The Tornados are really intense tangs as far as I have seen. They are obviously different, and more intense, and so they got a new name. I have seen some tangs that are quite comparable to the tornados though, one of Jodi Aherns tang lines that I had was really intense. I think that is just like this case. The SHM that JMG has are pretty intense, and I have not seen any others yet that really stand out like there's do, and they tagged them, since they are different.

Note that I don't mean different as in a morph, but just something you can look at and notice. The other SHM that fellow posters have posted here are beautiful by all means, but I did not see any that really compared to the ones JMG had for pics.

Unfortunately with sooo many leo breeders, and so many variations and projects, this sort of confusion / marketing / 3-names-for-the-same-morph is just going to keep happening.

 

[nevinm]

sorry jeff and greg, but i do have to think marula's is my fave. but any way as far as the name thing goes as long as theyre telling the truth about the genetics theres nothing wrong with it. they werent the first to have them, but its a pretty catchy name. thats all i think. im working on 2 diff combos right now of older morphs. people are already working on them, and or already have them, once mine are out, i plan on trying to give them my own name. and i as well has jeff has, will be compleatly honest with the genetics.

 

[Gregg M]

The SHM that JMG has are pretty intense, and I have not seen any others yet that really stand out like there's do.

See this thread...:main_thumbsup:

http://www.geckoforums.net/showthread.php?t=7787

 

[boutiquegecko]

With the creamsicle, right now I just don't see a diff in the intensity, as some of the other breeders have them just as intense or nearly so. So I don't see how they are "distinct" in name yet.

I guess I thought that morphs were named due to either it being a new morph or the line being proven to hold it's color like the tornado, electric, firewaters etc and not from the very first ones to appear. It seems the shm's that are out there that have this orange are only the 2-3rd? generation that is changing in color, but not holding the color each generation yet. Is that right? Also do these guys have tang bred in to them? I'm wondering if they due, perhaps they should be recognized as super hypo tang macks so we know the orange is being bred in, or is it not bred in and just something that's evolving in the morph each generation?

 

[Gregg M]

With the creamsicle, right now I just don't see a diff in the intensity, as some of the other breeders have them just as intense or nearly so.

In all fairness, some are saying that other breeders have these... Show me one that has the intense color that JMGs have... I thought mine was intense compared to most I have seen until I saw their pictures... I am sure they have more up their sleave as well...

Also do these guys have tang bred in to them? I'm wondering if they due, perhaps they should be recognized as super hypo tang macks so we know the orange is being bred in, or is it not bred in and just something that's evolving in the morph each generation?

That should go without saying... There is an obvious tangerine influence... It will just get more intense with every generation as does the "regular" tangerines...
Like Dan Poe has said 100 times LOL, it is the progression of the tangerine influence that is making these beauties what they are...

 

[tribalxgecko]

I guess I thought that morphs were named due to either it being a new morph or the line being proven to hold it's color like the tornado, electric, firewaters etc and not from the very first ones to appear. It seems the shm's that are out there that have this orange are only the 2-3rd? generation that is changing in color, but not holding the color each generation yet. Is that right?

JMG's are in their 3rd generation. Not sure if you seen the post he had, but they mentioned this..

These are also a third generation and I have been seeing a consistency with all of the baby's we have produced. The picture of the adult cremesicle if anybody payed attention it says that it is a proven breeder. She is almost two years old and although she is a bit drab she didn't turn dark or yellow or grey or brown like any of the other co-dominant snow hypos or super hypos.

So from my understanding they are holding their color, as a 3rd generation line bred project. I'm not sure if that is what you where asking / looking for? As gregg said, it is definably the tang influencing these guys. And as JMG even said, anybody can do this relatively quickly and easily. The difference being theirs are ahead of the pack a bit in that they are on their 3rd generation. I am sure there are others out there with the same exact project and all as well.

Now just wait till I unleash my raspberry swirl leo's!

 

[Golden Gate Geckos]

I think Kelli was the first to tag the name Hybino, and others just used their own names, and this whole sort of conversation happened then too.

Actually, it was the creator of the hybino, Ray Hine, that named them that. Kelli called all of her hypo-tangerine albinos "HYBINOS" out of respect for the person that originally created them. It was other breeders that started giving theirs the new, catchy names.

 

[MichaelJ]

i don't know about the new morph idea yet either until the genes have been proven over a few generations of breeding.. I agree with Marcia.. I think it looks like an enigma to me.. and one kinda looks like a washed out stripe... Maybe a snow mix..