tangerines vs. super hypos

[OhioGecko]

so then those three tangerines in my post would be by your definition super hypo tangerines

Nope, like I said earlier in the post: hypo tangerines. "IMO" Super Hypo means "NO" spotting on the back. I would not even consider the first one a hypo because it is a jungle and obviously has some other genetics in it.

 

[OhioGecko]

Robin, I would really like to see an eye shot of the first gecko, it is gorgeous!

 

[robin]

Nope, like I said earlier in the post: hypo tangerines. "IMO" Super Hypo means "NO" spotting on the back. I would not even consider the first one a hypo because it is a jungle and obviously has some other genetics in it.

ok the first one you got me on but there is not spotting on the other two guys backs.

 

[Tony C]

what does hypo mean or stand for? hypomelanism. what is that? reduction of black pigmentation compared to a wild type. so why does is the term hypo in leopard geckos not as credible as other reptile morphs?

Because there is no reduction in melanin, the black spots on a hypo are just as dark as the black spots on a wild type gecko. I would expect the term to be applied to something like my Abyssinian, which is a non-albino with no true black coloring (reduced melanin production):

 

[OhioGecko]

ok the first one you got me on but there is not spotting on the other two guys backs.

The second guy has many spots on him

The third guy is like Tony said "a judgement call". If the gecko doesn't have its' adult colors, it could still "hypo" out

 

[robin]

Robin, I would really like to see an eye shot of the first gecko, it is gorgeous!

 

[OhioGecko]

Beautiful gecko! Is it from an Electric x Red Stripe?

 

[robin]

The second guy has many spots on him

The third guy is like Tony said "a judgement call". If the gecko doesn't have its' adult colors, it could still "hypo" out

ok yeah the second has a few spots on him, the third gecko, electric the first geckos is a nice hodgepodge of tange lines heh

 

[OhioGecko]

ok the first one you got me on but there is not spotting on the other two guys backs.

what does hypo mean or stand for? hypomelanism. what is that? reduction of black pigmentation compared to a wild type. so why does is the term hypo in leopard geckos not as credible as other reptile morphs?

Tony's description above is right on.

Hypomelanistic means lacking of black pigmentation and we use in the leopard gecko world as reduction of black pigmentation.

 

[robin]

Because there is no reduction in melanin, the black spots on a hypo are just as dark as the black spots on a wild type gecko. I would expect the term to be applied to something like my Abyssinian, which is a non-albino with no true black coloring (reduced melanin production):

in salmon hypo bci boas they can have black same color as normal black but the black in other places is REDUCED. hypos does not mean lacking all melanin it means reduced melanin. in other snake morphs some of the hypos have bllack on them.. but now the thing is when talking about hypos is hine line hypos. they have NO tangerine in them, infact they look like some of what people call ghost hypos. they were originally said to be co-dominant. i believe some hypos are line bred resulting sometimes in tangerines and some genetic co-dominant hine line hypos they just mixed tang into them (now). most hypos or super hypos out there were derived from hine line hypo oh yeah and i forgot about the carrot taill which is a line bred trait too. damn that is a lot and prolly makes no sense

 

[OhioGecko]

I plead the fifth when talking about snakes, I know nothing

 

[Enigmatic_Reptiles]

Chiming in late but this is a good thread. I think Tony is nailing it as far as terminology and correct meaning of the term Hypo. Now since we obviously mislabel our Hypos in the leopard gecko community...what would the correct terminology for a spot free gecko be? Patternless? Or is this where Super Hypo would take affect as correct labeling?

 

[cassadaga]

Hypo basically means less, as hyper basically means more. Hypo in leopard geckos is not hypomelanistic, like it is in Ball Pythons or Corn Snakes. It is essentially hypo-spotting.

Tangerine is a selectively bred color trait.

I believe hypo exists both as a predictable dominant trait, in Hine's ghosts, and a selectively bred trait. For experienced eyes I think it is usually easy to tell the difference. Hine's hypos tend to have a cleaner look, true carrot tail, and it also seems harder to breed Tangerine color into them.

 

[ILoveGeckos14]

I thought the difference was tangerine is a linebred trait and hypo/super hypo is co-dom?

 

[Taquiq]

Hypo is thouht to be a dominant but Super Hypo is linebred. I am trying to prove if Hypo is a dominant this year. If it is one then 50% of my babies will be Hypo.

 

[Tony C]

Hypo is thouht to be a dominant but Super Hypo is linebred. I am trying to prove if Hypo is a dominant this year. If it is one then 50% of my babies will be Hypo.

How do you test breed for a trait that isn't clearly defined?

 

[Taquiq]

How do you test breed for a trait that isn't clearly defined?

I'm breeding a Super Hypo (1 copy Hypo + linebred trait) to a non Hypo. If it is dominant approximately 50% of the babies will be Hypo. If it is polygenic then I will get varying degrees of Hypos.

 

[Tony C]

I'm breeding a Super Hypo (1 copy Hypo + linebred trait) to a non Hypo. If it is dominant approximately 50% of the babies will be Hypo. If it is polygenic then I will get varying degrees of Hypos.

But what is a hypo? Ask 10 people and you'll get 10 different answers. How do you test for something when nobody can agree on what it is you're looking for?

 

[Taquiq]

But what is a hypo? Ask 10 people and you'll get 10 different answers. How do you test for something when nobody can agree on what it is you're looking for?

Good point, I really wish this Hypo thing was cleared up. Technically I'm not really test breeding, this is my first year of breeding and I happened to have a Super Hypo from the Pet store. Maybe I'll tell people if I sell it to them my definition of Hypo and Super Hypo.

 

[snakewrangler]

I have to believe that there is a "no-spot" gene is that is dominant or co-dom. I have a male with no body and head spots that has been repeatedly paired up with a regular Tremper albino with spots. Year after year, exactly 50% of his offspring has spots and 50% doesn't...every year with no deviation.