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yeah i know thats what you were talking about, but did you remember the female as well? shes about 90 grams now. and hey theyre offspring are making me happy!
My original pair of Blizzard hets are 113 and 117 grams at the moment... No giant genes, but they were both 60+ grams by four months... As for length, the male is 10''+ and the female is an inch or so shorter... They will be three years old June tenth! 
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Nevin, no I can not say that I remember the female very well. Got a pic?
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my other female giant did a number on her tail. but thats her
my other female giant did a number on her tail. but thats her
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This is very interesting stuff!
I'm inexperienced compared to the information being presented on this thread but since I have two "possible" giants I thought I would chime in. Both of my leos came from a random girl on kijiji who breeds for fun. When we bought them she said the dad was a giant and mom was normal. I saw both parents and although I don't know their stats he was significantly longer than her and they were both in their 3rd breeding season so about 4 years old. We bought our guys just because we wanted leos and she was quite picky about who she sold to. I like that since it meant she cares about her animals and they were most likely be very healthy. I completely forgot about the whole giant dad thing promptly after we brought them home because Iwas only interested in healthy animals.
Fast forward to Sept of this year. I went to a reptile show as a volunteer and brought both of my leos since they wanted animals around for the kids to see and both of mine are so mellow that they will hang out on my shoulder. I started talking to a couple of breeders since I notice my 7 month old geckos are bigger than every adult being sold at the show plus the babies all look teeny tiny compared to what ours looked like at 6 weeks. One breeder offered to buy them on the spot so it got me thinking that my leos are a little different, you know?
I did a little research on my own and I come to the conclusion that they are LONG and large and therefore are probably giants. Currently they are both 11 months old (mid Feb 2008 hatchlings). My female is 80g and 11.25" and my male is 10.5" and 66g. He has lost a little weight recently as he had a prolapse and went off food for a couple of weeks so I expect he will have a large weight gain in the next few weeks.
After reading this thread I'm really confused but one thing is certain for me and that is that my leos are big 'uns. Giants? I think so but only time will tell. The one thing this thread has done for me is to convince me to keep very careful records and weights of my hatchlings (fingers crossed I get some). I'll have to post more info as I get it.
I do have a question though. I have read somewhere that statistically from a G x G breeding you should get 1/4 normal, 1/4 SG and 1/2 Giants. Is that correct by any stretch? I was actually going to try to determine what my two are from what type of hatchlings I get based on this info over the next couple of years.
PS I feed a mix of crickets and mealies. There are always mealies in the tank and then I feed crickets each night in a separate feeding tank.
I'm inexperienced compared to the information being presented on this thread but since I have two "possible" giants I thought I would chime in. Both of my leos came from a random girl on kijiji who breeds for fun. When we bought them she said the dad was a giant and mom was normal. I saw both parents and although I don't know their stats he was significantly longer than her and they were both in their 3rd breeding season so about 4 years old. We bought our guys just because we wanted leos and she was quite picky about who she sold to. I like that since it meant she cares about her animals and they were most likely be very healthy. I completely forgot about the whole giant dad thing promptly after we brought them home because Iwas only interested in healthy animals.
Fast forward to Sept of this year. I went to a reptile show as a volunteer and brought both of my leos since they wanted animals around for the kids to see and both of mine are so mellow that they will hang out on my shoulder. I started talking to a couple of breeders since I notice my 7 month old geckos are bigger than every adult being sold at the show plus the babies all look teeny tiny compared to what ours looked like at 6 weeks. One breeder offered to buy them on the spot so it got me thinking that my leos are a little different, you know?
I did a little research on my own and I come to the conclusion that they are LONG and large and therefore are probably giants. Currently they are both 11 months old (mid Feb 2008 hatchlings). My female is 80g and 11.25" and my male is 10.5" and 66g. He has lost a little weight recently as he had a prolapse and went off food for a couple of weeks so I expect he will have a large weight gain in the next few weeks.
After reading this thread I'm really confused but one thing is certain for me and that is that my leos are big 'uns. Giants? I think so but only time will tell. The one thing this thread has done for me is to convince me to keep very careful records and weights of my hatchlings (fingers crossed I get some). I'll have to post more info as I get it.
I do have a question though. I have read somewhere that statistically from a G x G breeding you should get 1/4 normal, 1/4 SG and 1/2 Giants. Is that correct by any stretch? I was actually going to try to determine what my two are from what type of hatchlings I get based on this info over the next couple of years.
PS I feed a mix of crickets and mealies. There are always mealies in the tank and then I feed crickets each night in a separate feeding tank.
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wow, allie, that is a big female. 11.25.. thats awsome. according to ron tremper your right about the hatchlings. mel said it somewhere back in the first couple pages, and ive said it several times throught this thread, but my finds are the same. they are about 25%, 50% and 25%. just make sure you keep track of every hatchling
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Oh yea now I do, she was from the first gen of Giant Aptor X Red Stripe. The Aptor father was at least 120 grams, and the JMG Red Stripe female was 80 or 90 grams herself, and not known to be a Giant. Then your male was the second gen, he would have been from Giant Aptor X RS X Giant Aptor.
I was thinking my Aptor was a super giant at one time, because he grew so large. I had other geckos from that second generation, that would at the very least be Giants(in that case), yet did not get any larger than normal. That was when I lost faith in the genetics, because I only had one Super, a few Giants, and the rest looked like normals. This male was purchased as just an Aptor, with only the "possibility" that he was a Giant, and het for Raptor. He was het Raptor, but maybe he was only a Giant, when I was thinking he was a Super. Could be. :shrugs:
This is the Giant Aptor and one of the Red Stripe crosses. Which should actually be your female, there were only two girls. She was around 85 grams at least in this pic, and he made her look small. :main_laugh:
I was thinking my Aptor was a super giant at one time, because he grew so large. I had other geckos from that second generation, that would at the very least be Giants(in that case), yet did not get any larger than normal. That was when I lost faith in the genetics, because I only had one Super, a few Giants, and the rest looked like normals. This male was purchased as just an Aptor, with only the "possibility" that he was a Giant, and het for Raptor. He was het Raptor, but maybe he was only a Giant, when I was thinking he was a Super. Could be. :shrugs:
This is the Giant Aptor and one of the Red Stripe crosses. Which should actually be your female, there were only two girls. She was around 85 grams at least in this pic, and he made her look small. :main_laugh:
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yeah that looks like her to me... much younger and brighter.. shes full of battle scars now. and my god that aptor is massive. i rmemeber seeing that picture before and didnt relize that was my female.
I have use the term "possible giant". Not to earn money but I can't tell if they are giants or not before they have grow up and when I sell them as preadults I just want to tell "they might be giant but I can't guarantee they are". No higher price or anything. If giant is a co-dom morph 50% isn't giant. I have use the term poss. giant only with offsprings from this pairing.
I have lost the faith in this morph too... I have a non giant SH male with no tremper genes at 120 grams and a non giant high yellow male (no tremper genes) at 116 grams. My two hygo giants var 110 (male) and 95 (female). Yes, the female is big.
I have not read all posts in this thread but if there was a larger gene in some
subspecies the gene might have been out breeding for to long and are not co-dom?
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man, i think some people need to check out the show off your leo forum. look at "introducing godzilla" and if you care the last thread started by myself.
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I would assume that there would be, but i would also assume that small breeders don't have that kind of cash flow to thave a DNA test run.
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Would you like to dish out a few thousand dollars to pay for it? Sadly most Small breeders and some Large breeders cannot afford it.
.. nor can I find angrumainyu under $400 plus import fees
:main_yes: :main_robin: :main_yes: Let me know if ya do.
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Some group would actually have to identify, analyze, and confirm the different markers from pure stock and then go about creating such a test for those markers. Then there would have to be product development and, finally, a standardized marketed product. This doesn't just get whipped up easily on the fly.
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BUMP a year later, any developments? I would kill for some charts, graphs, listed data- anything!
This year I will try my best to keep very good records. We are crossing SG X SG, G X SG, G x G and G x normal size.We are also using Mr. T as a reference because he is 95-102 grams with no giant genes. We are crossing him with small tangs and tangs with giant genetics and comparing those results as well. I hope to have all my information organized come this time next year, and I posted this here not to brag but so I hold myself to it! lol
This year I will try my best to keep very good records. We are crossing SG X SG, G X SG, G x G and G x normal size.We are also using Mr. T as a reference because he is 95-102 grams with no giant genes. We are crossing him with small tangs and tangs with giant genetics and comparing those results as well. I hope to have all my information organized come this time next year, and I posted this here not to brag but so I hold myself to it! lol
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I don't think that Giant should be considered a morph. Yes it is genetic that a gecko is bigger than others...but there is no way of ensuring a gecko has the gene or not. I have a 126g male who is not from ANY Giant lines. So would he be considered Giant? If so then its not the gene we are labeling it is the weight that is achieved. So I think Giant and Super Giant if anything should be determined purely off of weight and not genetic make-up. IMO
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