Tremper New Morphs?

[Wowoklol]

http://www.leopardgecko.com/

Theres a picture of a hatchling Galaxy he just posted. Hes stating its not related to the Super Snow complex.

 

[RampantReptiles]

"06-22-11 - Photo of a hatchling Galaxy. Note the white face, limbs and tail tip that are common to all examples of this new morph. Some have a bright yellow spot on the body. They are not related to the Super Snow complex."

What the heck does that mean not related to the Super Snow complex?

 

[Thorgecko707]

"06-22-11 - Photo of a hatchling Galaxy. Note the white face, limbs and tail tip that are common to all examples of this new morph. Some have a bright yellow spot on the body. They are not related to the Super Snow complex."

What the heck does that mean not related to the Super Snow complex?

Hahahahahaha

 

[Tony C]

http://www.leopardgecko.com/

Theres a picture of a hatchling Galaxy he just posted. Hes stating its not related to the Super Snow complex.

Yes, and Abyssinians were a new recessive trait unrelated to any other, Emerines and Tangelos are mutations rather than line bred, and don't forget to preorder your normals het for giant.

 

[Thorgecko707]

Yes, and Abyssinians were a new recessive trait unrelated to any other, Emerines and Tangelos are mutations rather than line bred, and don't forget to preorder your normals het for giant.

what about an eclipse het chuckwalla?

 

[Gazz]

http://www.leopardgecko.com/
Hes stating its not related to the Super Snow complex.

Dosen't the fact that it IS a Super snow type make it apart of the Super snow complex :main_rolleyes:.
If it not related to Super snow what's he trying to make us beleave it is :main_huh:.

 

[RampantReptiles]

Dosen't the fact that it IS a Super snow type make it apart of the Super snow complex :main_rolleyes:.
If it not related to Super snow what's he trying to make us beleave it is :main_huh:.

Lol eexxaaactly!
I wrote him an email, wonder if I will get a response :main_evilgrin:

 

[Thorgecko707]

Just call him

 

[RampantReptiles]

His facebook page says about the Galaxy:
Ron Tremper "I bred an Abyssinian to an Eclipse and then bred those young to each other for two years. The parents did not resemble the outcome, which was the first Galaxy "

"There is no super snow in the Galaxy."

 

[TokayKeeper]

didn't Tony C prove the Abyssinian to be super snow? If so ROFLMFAO.

Edit...d'oh...it was eclipse (see page 8)

 

[Tony C]

didn't Tony C prove the Abyssinian to be super snow? If so ROFLMFAO.

I proved them to be Eclipse, not snow/SS.

 

[RampantReptiles]

Im starting to semi believe this Abyssinian thing... someone kill me now.
It explains so much about what I have been hatching though.

My really unpolished theory at the moment is that maybe Abys are co-dominant with eclipse? They show varying levels of dominance? Idk but I am kind of thinking its real.

Tony could you help me out here, set me straight. I want to know everything you did when you bred your Aby(s).

 

[Tony C]

I test bred an Aby, purchased directly from Ron Tremper, to a RAPTOR, Eclipse het Tremper, a Patternless Stripe het RAPTOR, an APTOR het Eclipse, and a Tremper Albino. The Raptor and Eclipse pairings produced 100% Eclipses, the Patternless Stripe and APTOR pairings yielded Eclipses and Patternless Stripes, and the Tremper Albino yielded Patternless Stripes and Jungles. Textbook results for what you would expect to see from an Eclipse paired to all of those, and there was no truth to the statement that Abyssinian x Tremper Albino yields Abyssinians.

The Eclipses did hatch pretty consistently with snake eyes, and several faded out to no eye pigmentation, but this is far from unheard of in non-Abyssinian line Eclipses. All of the offspring also tended to be lighter than normal, which I speculated may be a genetic form of hypomelanism. At best Abyssinians are an Eclipse line that consistently produce low to 0% snake eyes and lighter color, but they are not a distinct genetic morph and the interactions with the Tremper Albino gene stated on the info page for Abyssinians are 100% false.

 

[Thorgecko707]

Tony, I'm sorry you got "had". Isn't it about the love for the species, not the race to riches?

 

[Tony C]

Tony, I'm sorry you got "had". Isn't it about the love for the species, not the race to riches?

It's not the end of the world. I started the project knowing it would likely end the way it did, but I wanted some hard data to end all the speculation. He ended up being one of my favorite geckos, and when I decided to stop breeding and cut back on the collection he and two of his sons were among the 14 I kept. That alone makes him worth what I paid and I have no regrets, though I won't be volunteering to test any other "new morphs".

 

[Thorgecko707]

Tony, isn't it funny that if you would have left your morals behind and went on a crusade of massive inbreeding orgies that maybe you would have found a similar galaxy morph? I saw someone else has some pix of the hatchlings. The "lesser" ones. It was like "the hills have eyes" x6

 

[RampantReptiles]

You have 14 pet leopard geckos? Why so many?

 

[Quantumhigh]

Eggs mixed up and had a mack snow het eclipse produce more macks hets eclipse and breed them together and got a SS eclipse. Waaalaaa a new morph what will pay off the mortgage and into early retirement.

Is it just me or do others feel ashamed that someone who might of had a great status in breeding leopard geckos would do such a disservice to the community by confusing new and uneducated leo owners into a money making 'dollar morph' by slapping on a few fancy names to unproven genetics. I am ashamed I dont even like saying the name Tremper anymore. The name kinda sickens me now days.

 

[Thorgecko707]

I dont think the band wants him to retire.

 

[TokayKeeper]

You have 14 pet leopard geckos? Why so many?

Before I started adding animals back I had 14 pet leos too. Now I have 52 pets plus eggs incubating.