Tremper New Morphs?

Thorgecko707

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Thank you mitchrobot. Like other veteran breeders have said before, where are the building blocks? You don't just get five of one new mutation overnight. And he has been proof breeding these for years. So there should be hundreds of low quality ones out there.
 
justindh1

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Thorgecko707 said:
When we spend thousands, shouldn't we expect amazing customer service?
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It shouldn't matter whether you spend $5 or a 5k, you should always get great customer service no matter what.

I think once the morphs are announced with pictures and the genetic backgrounds then we can start debating. Until then we are just assuming what it will and will not be. If it is a true morph then it will stay around but if it's not a new morph it will die out like the others have.

It's comes to a point when you really have to think what makes up a new morph. Does it have to be completely new genetics or a combination of previously known ones. Is it actually a rare gem or a marketing ploy to charge like it's a rare gem.
 
robin

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TokayKeeper said:
I fell for that in '99 at the price of $1000. She arrived pink and yellow in July 13, 1999 that year and was mailed back to the (re)originator by October (??) with a replacement after she turned brown while kept at 88-90°F and poorly ate crickets and mealies. I was warned by many of this darkening, but I couldn't afford 3k and 5k for a female or male Rainwater albino back then. The subsequent attached photos almost got me banned from kingsnake.com and did get ks.com and myself threatened with a lawsuit.

1st pic: her starting to darken up.
2nd pic: her at a local reptile expo next to a patternless and tangerine. Photo taken in shade outside
3rd pic: her with the tang
4th pic: her replacement, a tangerine albino
5th pic: comparison of replacement day (Oct 99) I got her and her by January 2000.
6th pic: replacement, and as Albey put it, the most ugly male I could buy after all the complaining I did about their darkness. Sadly, he was all I could afford.

You'll notice she looks thin and the male has what I call the "no hips, no butt" syndrome seen in women (his tail never got fat). He ate like a champ for me, but the replacement had to be hand fed mealies. She refused crickets (would later eat them by hand and even later would finally hunt them if I pulled the hind legs off) and refused mealies in a bowl. I kept her at 90°F, as with all my leos and that temp was controlled by a Helix DBS-1000.

Again, I was warned of their potential darkening, but I REALLY wanted to get an albino and work it into my collection. I was dead set on the Rainwater line after seeing "Max" the original Rainwater in Oct '98 at the New Mexico Reptile Expo in Albuquerque, NM. Tim (Rainwater) was actually disappointed that I mailed my original Tremper albino back as he wanted to get photos of her at the Oct '99 expo next to one of his albino. Lastly at least on this part of the post, the above "dark" albinos would later be dubbed chocolate albinos, Ron's attempt (IMO) of admitting the strains' true nature without saying they actually turn brown.

All this said, this posting IS NOT intended to be a bashing. It is meant to detail my experience into what Seamus talks about above. Never again will I spend over $500 for a leopard gecko, let alone $1000. One I do not have that kind of disposable income, 2 I got burnt (IMHO), and 3 I don't like to power feed my geckos; I tend to have my geckos adult size by their first birthday and breeding by their 2nd spring. I'd never recoupe funds. This is strictly a hobby for me, I have fun with it and enjoy the genetics of my collection. For these reasons alone, this is why I'll never jump feet first into any new crazed morph project again. I will never get burnt again. Unfortunately, I'm made out to be the bad guy in this example, back then and even presently. Back then I was merely a senior in high school too.

If this post of mine results in this turning into a mud slingingfest I WILL NOT reply. It's over, it's done with and I no longer, nor will I ever again have that strain of albino in my collection. I do however respect what this individual has done over his lifetime, though I don't completely agree with how he's gone about his marketing.
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trempers are brown
 
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what im guessing is that perhaps the patternless stripe (is that red stripe AND reverse stripe? i forget) when expressed along with the mack gene makes the bizzaro pattern. i have been figuring the possible body patterns on raptors play a big role in the ultimate look of a super raptor (or super eclipse)

ive seen super raptors that were solid white, looked like normal SSTA but with the white nose and legs, and ones that were almost a pink (well....skin colored) animal with the white ends (caused by a ton of tiny speckles rather than bigger spots). ive personally hatched a solid white and a normalish looking super raptor form the same parents, but at the same time banded "raptors", true raptors, and RERS. the huge variation somtimes present i can only assume is the reason behind those strange looking super eclipses.

im not sure if any of that made any sense :)
 
RampantReptiles

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I dont see where the galaxy has red or green spots. Neither is it mentioned anywhere on Tremper's site that I can find. To me the spots look brown or just a lighter version of black...
 
Gazz

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No such thing as a Galaxy, There Talbino eclipse super snow more likely known as Total eclipse, They've been around awhile now. Trempers Total eclipse just also have a Paradox yellow spot. I had a Blizzard that had 7 paradox spots, You trying to tell me i could have sold it for a couple thousand lol.
 
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