Who's doing enigma x enigma?

[Western Gecko]

I did a search and I had a hard time finding any info on this...

I imagine someone out there has performed this cross. Are the results any worse than enigma x non-enigma? I'm curious if a homozygous enigma x non-enigma still results in syndrome geckos or if anyone has even proven a homozygous enigma.

Note: I don't want to hear from those that want to preach... "Don't breed enigma x enigma" and I don't want to debate if a dominant trait can exist in a homozygous state. I only want to hear from those who have bred enigma x enigma and what they found.

If you would prefer to corresponded via PM please do so...

 

[Srt14292]

I haven't bred the enigma x enigma for the simple fact i've only got one, but personally I wouldn't because I would imagine the chances of getting the syndrome would increase 10 fold.

 

[Sunrise Reptile]

I'll be doing this pairing once a couple females are up to size.

I've read posts from folks that have already paired two Enigmas, and they've basically stated that the results are no worse than Enigma x non-Enigma.

Fact of the matter is, sometimes Enigma hatchlings have neurological problems and sometimes they don't. You'll be rolling the dice regardless, so long as an Enigma is in the pairing. Hope this helps. And good luck!

 

[Enigmatic_Reptiles]

Im neither for nor against it. I will not be doing it but I will advise those who do to ensure they are using two normal operating enigmas (aka no enigma sighs at all...even when stressed).

 

[Sunrise Reptile]

...but I will advise those who do to ensure they are using two normal operating enigmas (aka no enigma sighs at all...even when stressed).

What the hell are you implying? Is this really necessary? :main_angry: I assure you, my ethics are sound, if that's what you're hinting at. Next time I'd advise you to type nothing if you can't think of anything better than this.

 

[robin]

personally i am not breeding any together.

 

[Western Gecko]

Obviously people are not reading the initial post and understanding what I said. Once again...

This is not a debate about the ethics of breeding enigma x enigma. If you're not breeding this cross I don't care to know this. If you want to stir the pot there are other threads out there. Please take your comments there.

If you are breeding enigmas with symptoms then I would still value your input and you can PM me with your comments. You don't need to be chastised here on the forum. I can assure you that your PM's will not be shared and that they will be held in the strictest confidence. I'm not here to judge or debate ethics. I'm asking these questions to gather FACTS. That's it, that's all...

Thanks to those that have already PM'ed me...

 

[Baoh]

I might do it this year just so I can make people I don't know on the internet irrationally angry.

Kidding.

I would do it this year if I wanted to, but none of the pairs I am seeking to couple happen to be Enigmas on both the male and female parts of the equation. That could change, but I only have one up in the air choice remaining for this season and I have not seen any males around that fit the needs of that last project.

 

[JordanAng420]

Thank you for asking this question. I'm curious as to what you find out from everyone's information.

 

[StatikStepz]

I have bred Enigma to Enigma before. I have Enigmas now, but none are being paired to another... they are all in their own breeding projects, so i am not doing any Enigma to Enigma this year. My findings were the same when Enigma to Enigma was paired as much as Enigma to non-Enigma. Just because it was Enigma to Enigma, I did not get any more Enigmas with "issues" than I did with my groups of 1 Enigma. It was all about pretty much the same. I had just as many "normal" Enigma babies not exhibiting any "symptoms" str8 thru their life, even when stressed, or after breeding. So, when someone says "you can't breed Enigma to Enigma" cuz its not good, or they all come out "bad"... I disagree, because I have seen otherwise 1st-hand, and know that this is not true. Its all just the luck of the draw... either you get em, or you don't. It cannot be controlled by how much "Enigma" you put into the equation... If Enigma is there, u get some that are, and some that aren't. You don't get any more than what you normally would, just because it is 2-copy.

 

[Enigmatic_Reptiles]

Calm down Maurice, that was a generic statement. No one questioned the quality of your geckos. Too many people in here get offended or are sensitive over stupid things. My statement still stands, just sucks peoples feelings get hurt so easy.

 

[Sunrise Reptile]

Oh, I'm perfectly calm. Nonetheless, your comment had NO PLACE in this thread. The question was asked, so answer it and move on.

Perhaps you don't realize, but you're making comments on something you have no control over. And, the OP respectfully asked that those type of comments be left out of this thread. Have a little respect, or take your rudeness elsewhere!

 

[Sunrise Reptile]

I have bred Enigma to Enigma before. I have Enigmas now, but none are being paired to another... they are all in their own breeding projects, so i am not doing any Enigma to Enigma this year. My findings were the same when Enigma to Enigma was paired as much as Enigma to non-Enigma. Just because it was Enigma to Enigma, I did not get any more Enigmas with "issues" than I did with my groups of 1 Enigma. It was all about pretty much the same. I had just as many "normal" Enigma babies not exhibiting any "symptoms" str8 thru their life, even when stressed, or after breeding. So, when someone says "you can't breed Enigma to Enigma" cuz its not good, or they all come out "bad"... I disagree, because I have seen otherwise 1st-hand, and know that this is not true. Its all just the luck of the draw... either you get em, or you don't. It cannot be controlled by how much "Enigma" you put into the equation... If Enigma is there, u get some that are, and some that aren't. You don't get any more than what you normally would, just because it is 2-copy.

Very usefull info, Chris. Thanks for sharing! :main_thumbsup:

 

[chazthaking2]

I haven't done a cross with enigma x enigma because the people that started breeding them first said so. I do have enigmas that you would question whether they are enigmas at all if it wasnt for the eyes and then I have a couple that have symptoms. My suggestion is and this info comes from big breeders, just don't breed two enigmas it only makes things worse

 

[Gregg M]

In theory if you breed and enigma to an enigma, you can produce a super enigma... Not that the super enigma would look different or anything... But what a super enigma would do is create 100% enigmas when bred to a normal...

 

[JordanAng420]

In theory if you breed and enigma to an enigma, you can produce a super enigma... Not that the super enigma would look different or anything... But what a super enigma would do is create 100% enigmas when bred to a normal...

I think you just gave a bunch of us some really cool ideas...:main_laugh:
I'm glad to know that the "myth" of enigma x enigma isn't necessarily a bad thing...
This gives me some great ideas for next season.

 

[robin]

I think you just gave a bunch of us some really cool ideas...:main_laugh:
I'm glad to know that the "myth" of enigma x enigma isn't necessarily a bad thing...
This gives me some great ideas for next season.

remember though. (in theory) telling the difference between a regular enigma and "super enigma" would be impossible by just looking at it. you would have to breed it to see if it proved out

 

[Tony C]

Has anyone proven a Super Enigma yet?

 

[robin]

as far as i know, no not yet

 

[Sunrise Reptile]

Has anyone proven a Super Enigma yet?

How could you, if there's no visible difference? In addition to this, I don't know that anyone to date has done an Enigma x Non Enigma cross and gotten all Enigmas.

The key words here being "in theory", which don't seem to mean squat when you're talkin' about the Enigma gene. :evilgrin: