Who's doing enigma x enigma?

[robin]

How could you, if there's no visible difference? In addition to this, I don't know that anyone to date has done an Enigma x Non Enigma cross and gotten all Enigmas.

The key words here being "in theory", which don't seem to mean squat when you're talkin' about the Enigma gene. :evilgrin:

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it was explained to me using hypo bci (boa constrictor) as an example, which is a co-dominant morph. which if i remember correctly a true super form of the hypo bci has been proven (there are no physical differences in appearance)

 

[Baoh]

How could you, if there's no visible difference? In addition to this, I don't know that anyone to date has done an Enigma x Non Enigma cross and gotten all Enigmas.

The key words here being "in theory", which don't seem to mean squat when you're talkin' about the Enigma gene. :evilgrin:

There is at least one person who posted on here about it, but I cannot remember exactly who she was. Hers was a one-copy Enigma, though. The probabilities seemed to just work out in that direction.

 

[JordanAng420]

I was waiting for you Baoh I knew you'd eventually chime into this. I'm curious about this person you speak about. Hopefully she will weigh-in on this conversation as well.

 

[Western Gecko]

I have bred Enigma to Enigma before. I have Enigmas now, but none are being paired to another... they are all in their own breeding projects, so i am not doing any Enigma to Enigma this year. My findings were the same when Enigma to Enigma was paired as much as Enigma to non-Enigma. Just because it was Enigma to Enigma, I did not get any more Enigmas with "issues" than I did with my groups of 1 Enigma. It was all about pretty much the same. I had just as many "normal" Enigma babies not exhibiting any "symptoms" str8 thru their life, even when stressed, or after breeding. So, when someone says "you can't breed Enigma to Enigma" cuz its not good, or they all come out "bad"... I disagree, because I have seen otherwise 1st-hand, and know that this is not true. Its all just the luck of the draw... either you get em, or you don't. It cannot be controlled by how much "Enigma" you put into the equation... If Enigma is there, u get some that are, and some that aren't. You don't get any more than what you normally would, just because it is 2-copy.

Great info! Thanks for sharing. This is the kind of information I'm looking for...

 

[Western Gecko]

In theory if you breed and enigma to an enigma, you can produce a super enigma... Not that the super enigma would look different or anything... But what a super enigma would do is create 100% enigmas when bred to a normal...

Exactly! Can anyone prove they have a homozygous enigma using breeding outcome? I imagine we would have heard something by now but you just never know...

For all we know the homozygous enigma may be free from negative symptoms? Until someone comes forward and indicates that they have achieved 100% enigmas from an enigma x other cross we won't know for sure.

Shout out to the genetics experts out there! Where have all the homozygous enigmas gone? Does the double copy simply not take and the eggs don't fertilize? Has anyone crossing enigma x enigma noticed an unusually large % of infertile eggs?

 

[Halley]

I think Albey did an Enigma x Enigma

 

[StatikStepz]

Does the double copy simply not take and the eggs don't fertilize? Has anyone crossing enigma x enigma noticed an unusually large % of infertile eggs?

I'm not sure how that popped up, lol, but all my eggs were fertilized, and all hatched.

As far as being able to tell a "Super" Enigma from a 1C Enigma, i don't think you'd be able to tell either, because of how crazy and varied Enigma patterns can be from one to the next (assuming the "super" form did not change the overall appearance, like Snows do...). I'm sure i might have hatched some out, just could not tell the difference from one to the next, but who knows... I just did it one year because i wanted to see what happened. Past that, i did not keep that "project" going.

 

[Baoh]

If it's simply dominant and not incomplete dominant, as we have come to believe, then there is no super form to speak of. Only heterozygous and homozygous, of which there will be no visual difference and could only be determined via test breeding.

 

[Baoh]

I was waiting for you Baoh I knew you'd eventually chime into this. I'm curious about this person you speak about. Hopefully she will weigh-in on this conversation as well.

I hope so, too. It doesn't actually aid in our understanding, as I remember that this animal came from a single Enigma parent and therefore had to be heterozygous, but just so happened to be a lucky breeder that/last year by contributing the trait to all of its offspring. Just a neat probability fluke that balances out negative results others have had. Kind of like how lots of folks don't manage to get Embers from triple het x triple het breedings just because the probabilities work against it, yet I met a fellow who produced them the first time he tried.

"Life is like a box of chocolates...."

 

[Baoh]

Before anyone gets all weird, I want to remind anyone reading that heterozygous and homozygous don't refer only to recessive genes. The terms apply to any genes where identical and/or nonidentical alleles may occupy the same position in a given pair.

 

[herpencounter]

Before anyone gets all weird, I want to remind anyone reading that heterozygous and homozygous don't refer only to recessive genes. The terms apply to any genes where identical and/or nonidentical alleles may occupy the same position in a given pair.

Thank you lol

 

[StatikStepz]

"Life is like a box of chocolates...."

...Wait a second... Did you get written permission from Forrest Gump to quote him...?!?!? I think thats "copywright infringement"!

LMAO, I kid, I kid!

Bored, sorry.

 

[Baoh]

...Wait a second... Did you get written permission from Forrest Gump to quote him...?!?!? I think thats "copywright infringement"!

LMAO, I kid, I kid!

Bored, sorry.

That's why I add the quotation marks to that which I do not own.

 

[StatikStepz]

Lmao, tou che my friend. Tou che!

 

[KelliH]

...Wait a second... Did you get written permission from Forrest Gump to quote him...?!?!? I think thats "copywright infringement"!

LMAO, I kid, I kid!

Bored, sorry.

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