Zero Baby

[OhioGecko]

This Zero baby is a week old, this one would be considered a lower quality due to the sides are not completely closed, the center band is not connected and the "stinger" isn't pointy. But none the less it is a Stinger, when it was born the head and neck band was connected.

This is our first hatchling from our Super Zero, I will post more as they hatch. It will be interesting to see the different grades.

Father: Super Zero
Mother: Normal

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[snared99]

I do not mean to sound disrespectful, or start any kind of arguement. I just do not see how that can be either a stinger or a zero. Can you please give more info on the gene? I thought the pattern of the zero was codom, so how can the banded animal be a zero?? Im so confused. Again not trying to play down a nice looking fattail, just trying to make sense of the zeros.

 

[OhioGecko]

Pat, I understand why you are asking The tell is when it was born the head band and first band on the back was attached. As far as the gene goes I'm not for sure if it is co-dom???? I hatched out some others babies from the SZxNormal pairing that look like normals. We did have one baby that made it part way out of the egg before it died and it was definately a Zero.

I will post pics of the other babies and future hatchlings.

 

[Imperial Geckos]

I sent Jeff an email a long time ago asking about the zero genetics and "stinger" gentics....here is the thread with a response from Jeff..http://geckoforums.net/showthread.php?t=60486

Thad,
is your super zero striped or does it have no stripe? And if it has no stripe would that make it a "super stinger"?

 

[OhioGecko]

I sent Jeff an email a long time ago asking about the zero genetics and "stinger" gentics....here is the thread with a response from Jeff..http://geckoforums.net/showthread.php?t=60486

Thad,
is your super zero striped or does it have no stripe? And if it has no stripe would that make it a "super stinger"?

He has a stripe: http://www.ohiogecko.com/index.php/component/content/article/51-august-18th-2009.html. He has proved to be a hetrozygous stripe.

I don't think this is what Pat is questioning. The Zero and Stinger normally has closed sides at the bottom of the band and Zeros' bands are connected in the middle. I believe the gecko above is a Zero but without the connecting bands, if that make sense It is just a low quality one per say.

 

[Tommy13b]

Cool hatchling thad.

 

[thegeckoguy23]

Lookin good.

 

[Kristi23]

Very nice baby, Thad! Congrats!

 

[supperl]

Well that is a low grade Zero. A good time ago I bought a pair of het Pattys from Jeff and they did me a favour I only realised when I got my first babies. I got a low grade Zero het Patty male. You don´t see it visualy, that it is a zero or lets say you can see it if you know how to see it and I hatched Zeros from it.

So this most likely is a Zero but a low grade one

 

[Imperial Geckos]

Thorsten,

Whats confusing me is the genetics of it (i know its co-dom). I got an email from Jeff, that a striped Zero will only produce striped zeros, no banded zeros (stingers). Also i understand its a "low grade" zero, but since it was no stripe wouldnt it be a "stinger"? lol sorry if im confusing anyone..

Also I have a male zero and female zero that will be breeding 2010-2011 breeding season..if i produce a "banded zero/stinger" how do i know its not just a normal? Thad you know its a zero or "stinger" because it was produced from a super..unfortunately i dont have a super lol

Also since you produced a banded animal from a striped super zero, i guess that Zeros can and will produce stingers..

 

[OhioGecko]

Thorsten,

Whats confusing me is the genetics of it (i know its co-dom). I got an email from Jeff, that a striped Zero will only produce striped zeros, no banded zeros (stingers). Also i understand its a "low grade" zero, but since it was no stripe wouldnt it be a "stinger"? lol sorry if im confusing anyone..

Also I have a male zero and female zero that will be breeding 2010-2011 breeding season..if i produce a "banded zero/stinger" how do i know its not just a normal? Thad you know its a zero or "stinger" because it was produced from a super..unfortunately i dont have a super lol

Also since you produced a banded animal from a striped super zero, i guess that Zeros can and will produce stingers..

Thorsten, you are right... it is a Stinger and not a Zero

 

[supperl]

Yup Thad Stinger
Maybe theirs also a third visual apperance? Probalby you can have a Zero a Super Zero and these ones that produce Zeros but don´t look like them Who knows haha

 

[Lecko my Gecko]

not to stir things up LOL Im confused by all of this LOL ok if a zero is a striped form and a stinger is a banded form why does jeff have a non striped super zero on his site? wouldnt it be a super stinger? also has anyone bred a stinger or zero or even a super to a patty yet? there are alot of us that have produced zero and stinger patterned geckos from our patty projects. this year I plan to breed my jmg zero male to a patty and a het patty(w/ zero pattern) and a zero sibling from jmg to a patty. hopefully these results will help figure these traits out. good luck to everyone working on these fun but frustrating projects LOL

 

[BSM]

I talked to jeff a while back about the super zeros and patternless as they look so much alike and asked him was he planning to breeding them together. He bascially said there would be no point as they look so much a like (for example blizzards and patternless alot of people get confussed).
One thing i will say is if a zero is a stripe and a non stripe zero = stinger then there the same morph minus or plus the stripe thats where everyone i belive is getting confussed here. not trying to take hijack this thread but what about this one
http://www.jmgreptile.com/stinger.html


Bryan

 

[Imperial Geckos]

I talked to jeff a while back about the super zeros and patternless as they look so much alike and asked him was he planning to breeding them together. He bascially said there would be no point as they look so much a like (for example blizzards and patternless alot of people get confussed).
One thing i will say is if a zero is a stripe and a non stripe zero = stinger then there the same morph minus or plus the stripe thats where everyone i belive is getting confussed here. not trying to take hijack this thread but what about this one
http://www.jmgreptile.com/stinger.html


Bryan

I agree with you Bryan, i think that JMG, tagged them, "stingers," trying to prove something new.. i think they should just be called Zeros. Striped Zeros and Banded Zeros.

I do see where Jeff is coming from with the Zero x Patternless breeding..but i am one of those people who think the Zero is some sort of Patternless "leaky gene". Thorsten did say he got a het. patty male from Jeff that turned out to be a zero.. idkk lol :main_huh:

Zeros are fun to work with, but by the looks of Thads picture, they are going to be a pain to identify unless they are a "high end" zeros

 

[Imperial Geckos]

Here is the picture of my "stinger" that i produced from het. patternless x het. patternless...i will be holding him back to breed him and see if its anything genetic..

 

[supperl]

I think Jeff breed Zero to Patty to proof he won´t hatch a Patty and that it is different and thats probably why you have hatched Stinger from your Pair ;-)

 

[Imperial Geckos]

I think Jeff breed Zero to Patty to proof he won´t hatch a Patty and that it is different and thats probably why you have hatched Stinger from your Pair ;-)

My het pattys came form the Urban Gecko :main_rolleyes: lol, they were purchased from Touch of Class Reptiles...:main_thumbsdown:

 

[supperl]

Okay thats funny

 

[snared99]

We have hatched dozens of 'low grade zeros' and stingers like alex from our patty projects. I just plan dont understand this gene at all....lol I really think they are a neat gene, but if byproduct from the patty project are identical I dont see the difference. IDK