Curly Tail Leopard Gecko ???

[willyg]

Anybody heard about curly tail leopard gecko ???

The first one was born last year, there were only 2 curly hatch from 12 eggs.

And this year I mate the F1 with the mother, and this is what I get

This is the F1 from last year

This is the F2 from this year, hatch 4 curly from 10 eggs

This is the comparison between the F1 & F2, which in the lower generation have more curly.

Hopefully next year I can prove this amazing new morph, while most of the LG breeder focusing on colour and pattern, maybe this "Curly Tail" could be the new kick out morph.

 

[KelliH]

That is not an amazing new "morph"; that is an undesirable trait that frankly should not be reproduced. All of those "curly tails" should be culled. IMO.

 

[KelliH]

FYI - By culled I mean that they should be sold as pets and never ever bred.

 

[ajveachster]

What causes the tail to curl like that?

 

[KelliH]

A genetic deformity.

 

[BalloonzForU]

I would add that the Parents of the original not be bred again as well!

As pretty as their color is and as cute as the tails may seem, you have no idea what other deformities may lay in wait.

I hatched one like this out a few years back and no longer breed either of the parents and the babies were sold/given away as pets to never be bred.

 

[STUTFL]

Creepy.
Spine problems?

 

[STUTFL]

(they are pretty colors, though. )

 

[Malibu Barbie]

Pretty colors, but the curliness is a result of genetic mistakes - you shouldn't´t consider them as breeding material

 

[1Riotmaker7]

I love the colors!!!!They remind me of koi fish!!!

 

[1Riotmaker7]

OOOO and if you decide to sell them I'll take the one in the first picture

 

[Alliemac]

Very pretty. I have a girl with a slight curl and although I love her I would never breed her just in case.

 

[Retribution Reptiles]

Breeding for that condition is like trying to get 2 people with Huntingtons Disease to get together and breed. Very much so an undesired genetic flaw that ultimately will kill you. In the case of the leopard geckos it will not kill them but still undesired genetic flaw.

While everyone is trying to eliminate this trait i fail to see your logic and/or reasoning to try to breed for this trait. I could see that the gecko would have issues with retaining fat as a result of a "curlier" tail.

 

[chachasushi]

They're adorable! I would love to have one as a pet. But yeah, I agree that you shouldn't breed in favor of deformities. It will more than likely lead to a lot of problems. These genes shouldn't be in the pool.

 

[STUTFL]

I love the colors!!!!They remind me of koi fish!!!

They make me hungry for Cadbury's creme eggs! :tongue3:

 

[ecmartin]

I think as long as they are healthly do what you want. If people didnt breed animals for fisical traits we would never have curly tailed dogs like pugs.

 

[Courtney Bailey]

why so bad?

Pretty colors, but the curliness is a result of genetic mistakes - you shouldn't´t consider them as breeding material

I can see that this thread has the potential so go bad quickly via miss understanding. So I first want to say I'm not trying to start a fight, say you are wrong, or anything of the sort.

What I would like to know is why this is such a bad trait? It doesn’t seem harmful to the gecko? However it could be and that is what I would like to know. What are the potential problems of this genetic oddity? I don’t know as much about leo anatomy as I do about other reptiles. I would think this would be very bad trait for a reptile that needs its tail for protection, swimming, balance, or attracting a mate; but leo’s can drop their tails and be fine and the main use for the tail is fat storage. So really I don’t see why is any different from what dog breeders did to accomplish the curly tail dog, or long hair coats, or flat faced dogs/cats (though I don’t agree with the flat faced animals) or really what we do by breeding for colors and other genetic oddities.

Again I’m not trying to start a fight, but I am looking to be corrected if I have the wrong idea.

 

[Mel&Keith]

Curled tails, like kinked tails can be caused by excessive inbreeding. There are many other problems that can go along with them. We've only hatched one from a pair that we found out later was too closely related and it looked healthy from the outside but ended up prolapsing it's rectum and intestines. It's not like breeding for color or pattern that can be reproduced when you outcross. The reason this person got so many in the second generation was because they bred the babies (who were probably already too closely related) back to the mother.

 

[chazthaking2]

FYI - By culled I mean that they should be sold as pets and never ever bred.

well the definition of culled can only have a meaning of slaughter. You should choose a different word

 

[cat_named_noodles]

In my experience, outward deformities often are a sign that something is wrong on the instead. I.E. twisted organs, bad heart valves, enzyme problems, etc. the list goes on. Even though the curly tail looks cute/harmless, there may very well be internal deformities as well that you can't see by looking at the gecko. I am in agreement with everyone else and think you shouldn't breed these geckos again.