Golden Gate Geckos Slurry

[fl_orchidslave]

When I wrote this "Where does it all begin for the most part in a healthy reptile? Diet" I was refering to fatty liver disease.

My friend moved to Oregan about 3 years ago. She has a bosc monitor which was taken to a Dr. Mark Burgess. After extensive blood work and ultrasound ect. The vet diagnosed him with fatty liver disease. He was treated with antibiotics, a steroid and IV fluids at first and then put on a lean protein diet. She would call me constantly and he was doing fine. After a year I lost contact with her. A lot of information came from that vet and passed on to me. I also read a lot and many use of my reptiles veteranian.

Hills AD and Ensure have been used for many years, so why would I make a big deal out of it? My main point was that dehydration has to be addressed before loading a reptile up with protein. I am sure most people are aware of this.
Yes, of course I will be using the same phrasing if I was looking at both sides of the argument. How will you ever recieve other veteranians information if you don't give anyone a chance without accusing them of being one person.
I guess my only suggestion would be that eveyone gets input from their veteranians so that all information is considered.

After a minute of thought I came to the conclusion that the reason people believe that it's all one person is because we all follow the same beliefs. Well, the information is coming from the veteranians, not ourselves. At least in my part. Here is an example. Here is my friends vet that I mentioned above. He is in Oregon and he is very careful with fatty diets and is against oversupplementing.

http://www.swanimalhospital.net/html/infosheets/leopardgeckoinfo.html

I am located in a different state and my vet follows the same thought. The people you were speaking about, someone said was in PA. That is 3 different states and 3 different VETS that think alike.

I would NOT take my geckos or any of my reptiles to a vet who believes leopard geckos are carnivores. I'm not going to pick apart that care sheet, but most definitely disagree with much of the information given. While there are often times more than one way to reach a successful result, it's also important to realize that some information is out of date and all vets usually don't have a vested interest in every specific reptile species to keep up with new findings.

 

[Golden Gate Geckos]

"verogold", I have submitted correspondence with Dr. Burgess, and will be happy to share the response with the rest of the legitimate members of this forum. Chances are, he/she knows my own vet, and I always welcome VALID responses from veterinarians and seasoned breeders on the topic of the health and well-being of leopard geckos.

YOU, on the other hand, are a virtual nobody here on these forums. You got off on the wrong step by posting your seemingly self-educated opinions, but have yet to validate one single question that has been posed to you. I would consider your diatribe as less than valid without the supporting facts. ANYONE can look up information on a Google search, but it doesn't make it a FACT.

GIVE US THE FACTS TO SUPPORT YOUR CLAIMS.

 

[Golden Gate Geckos]

WOW! Take a look at Dr. Burgess' bio! He specializes in FERRETS! Not to mention, quite a bit of his leopard geckos care sheet has less-than-accurate care information, including temperature. Doh! http://www.swanimalhospital.net/html/thedoctors.html#doc1 No wonder 'verogold' is so confused... :main_lipsrsealed:

 

[Golden Gate Geckos]

Do you mind telling me what state you are posting from?

I think your indirect answer is here:

I am located in a different state and my vet follows the same thought. The people you were speaking about, someone said was in PA. That is 3 different states and 3 different VETS that think alike.

Who was the 'someone' that said it was PA??? You really aren't very smart, are you 'verigold'?

 

[Golden Gate Geckos]

I would NOT take my geckos or any of my reptiles to a vet who believes leopard geckos are carnivores. I'm not going to pick apart that care sheet, but most definitely disagree with much of the information given. While there are often times more than one way to reach a successful result, it's also important to realize that some information is out of date and all vets usually don't have a vested interest in every specific reptile species to keep up with new findings.

Laney, I can always count on your infinite wisdom and voice of professional reason.

 

[Golden Gate Geckos]

Can you all tell I am losing my patience with 'varigold', (aka chrisherp, gecko4245, madrv, and probably a few other user names)? Sorry, gang. Waiting for a response from Dr. Mark Burgess, ferret and leopard gecko expert as quoted by 'varigold'. (I copied my vet Ken Harkewicz, the ARAV President as well).

I REALLY want some feedback from people who have actually used the GGG Slurry... not some self-proclaimed gecko nutritional expert who's been a member of GF (this time) for only a few days.

Good night!

 

[verogold]

Can you all tell I am losing my patience with 'varigold', (aka chrisherp, gecko4245, madrv, and probably a few other user names)? Sorry, gang. Waiting for a response from Dr. Mark Burgess, ferret and leopard gecko expert as quoted by 'varigold'. (I copied my vet Ken Harkewicz, the ARAV President as well).

I REALLY want some feedback from people who have actually used the GGG Slurry... not some self-proclaimed gecko nutritional expert who's been a member of GF (this time) for only a few days.

Good night!

What you said to me spoke a thousand words:

"YOU, on the other hand, are a virtual nobody here on these forums"

Of course not, because only you are the only "someone" here.
You have just shown me who you really are by your poor mannerism and choice of words. I bet your capable of anything just to get your way.
There is no use to speak to someone who fails to listen due to being egocentric.

Kelli

I reside in Illinos and thank you for giving me the option to go private.

 

[verogold]

You also failed to listen. I said,

Here is my friends vet that I mentioned above. He is in Oregon and he is very careful with fatty diets and is against oversupplementing.

My vet thinks the same when it comes to these two things.

Obviously you are seeing what you want to. Try reading again.
Dr. Mark Burgess and Dr. Melinda Surrency have devoted their professional lives to the treatment of numerous species of "exotic" pets, including ferrets, rabbits, rodents, marsupials, reptiles & amphibians, and even invertebrates such as tarantulas or millipedes.

Not to mention he saved a life of a reptile with fatty liver disease who was close to death which not many vets are successful with.

 

[verogold]

I think your indirect answer is here:Who was the 'someone' that said it was PA??? You really aren't very smart, are you 'verigold'?

Or maybe your not too smart? it's in this post. Oh, I'm sorry. I forgot, you are the only smart person on the forum.

http://geckoforums.net/showthread.php?t=82348

I'm done with you.

 

[Golden Gate Geckos]

Not to mention he saved a life of a reptile with fatty liver disease who was close to death which not many vets are successful with.

My vet told me he knows Dr. Burgess, and he is a very good vet. That's great! However, I would like to point out that the GGG slurry has also helped save the lives of literally hundreds of geckos recovering from hepatic lipidosis while being treated by a vet for whatever was causing them to go off food to begin with.

You have just shown me who you really are by your poor mannerism and choice of words. I bet your capable of anything just to get your way. There is no use to speak to someone who fails to listen due to being egocentric.

I've paid my dues over the last 16 years as a reptile breeder. There is a big difference in being sure about something and being egocentric, although we all have a little ego... especially when we know we are right! LOL! We are BOTH belly-bucking our egos here, and I don't deny it. I am simply defending the slurry, which is what this thread is about. You have had every opportunity to give us any factual basis for your arguments against it, but have failed to do so. I think that you feel you are an expert on this, and have never even used the slurry!

I reside in Illinos and thank you for giving me the option to go private.

I seriously doubt this. I think you are the same troll that keeps coming back under different user names after being banned from this website numerous times. Time will tell.

I'm done with you.

Good! Now maybe you will stop stalking and trolling and we can get back to the topic of this thread?

 

[verogold]

Think what you want, I know the truth. I really did not want this to continue but you obviously did not read what I wrote or you totally ignored it. I had no intentions of pointing this out, but you leave me no choice. Hill's AD and Ensure have been used for many years by veteranians and so it's nothing new. All you did was add herbals and mealworms and named it GGG Slurry. It does not take a scientist to mix together products that have already been used. If you feed the Hill's AD by itself it will work just as well as it has been proven and used by vets.
I never once said it was harmful. All I suggested to people was to go to the vet and first get a diagnosis. I am sure you noticed how many people think it's miracle food and instead of going to the vet immediately start giving the slurry. Look through post and you will read "my gecko stopped eating, should I give the slurry". The vet comes first was my point.


"You have had every opportunity to give us any factual basis for your arguments against it"

What arguments?

 

[Golden Gate Geckos]

For anyone that is really interested, I recommend reading Chapter 56 of "Reptile Medicine and Surgery" by Douglas R. Mader, MS, DVM, DABVP. It goes into great detail on the diagnosis and treatment of hepatic lipidosis. In a nutshell, it states that hepatic lipidosis can really only be correctly diagnosed with a liver biopsy or post-mortem forensics. Vets can only suspect hepatic lipidosis without these diagnostic tests. It states that diet and obesity are rarely the sole cause of fatty liver disease. It also is clear that rehabilitating a starving reptile requires hydration first and foremost, with a 'natural' diet increasing in quantity over a period of time. Very little is discussed about re-feeding syndrome.

All you did was add herbals and mealworms and named it GGG Slurry. It does not take a scientist to mix together products that have already been used. If you feed the Hill's AD by itself it will work just as well as it has been proven and used by vets.

Of course I used two products that were successfully used and recommended by veterinarians! I never claimed otherwise. Yes, I added the mealworms (which are the bulk of the slurry) because it is a more 'natural' food for insectivores than pure meat. I added the Milk Thistle because of it's known liver purification properties. I added electrolytes to aid in rehydration. If I wanted to take the credit for this all by myself, I would have started marketing the stuff to make money. Instead, I shared it with the world because it CAN help save the lives of sick geckos.

Veronica, if you are indeed not the person who has plagued this forum under several other user names, then I will owe you a formal, public apology. There are just too many similarities between the timing of you joining this forum a week or so ago and the most recent banning of the last of several user names, your writing style, consistent misspelling of the same words, and chronic editing of the majority of your posts. Not to mention being hell-bent on attacking the slurry (and me). Until it is proven otherwise, I will continue to assume you are that person and remain defensive. Sorry, but I am human and quite capable of being a Mean Old Gecko Lady.

 

[Golden Gate Geckos]

I am sure you noticed how many people think it's miracle food and instead of going to the vet immediately start giving the slurry.

Now this is a TRUE statement. If you look at my website for the slurry recipe, you will see that I clearly state that it is to be used in conjunction with veterinary treatment, and it will not cure anything. If people are going to misuse this formula, there really isn't much I can do about that.

 

[Russellm0704]

Thank god he got banned. What's up with the increasing number of trolls lately?

 

[Dimidiata]

1 troll, many accounts.

 

[fl_orchidslave]

Sybil

 

[LeopardShade]

Marcia, this whole trolling thing is astounding to me. I am so sorry that you have had to deal with these absurd disparaging comments about your evidently and undoubtedly successful slurry. What I truly wonder is what this person's motive is? Do they just want to create a nuisance or evoke attention? I don't get it and I don't like it at all. Hopefully there won't be anymore for a while...

On the other hand, I firmly believe in the success of your mixture. I think it is a brilliant and excellent combination of essential nutrients for sick leopard geckos.

 

[Russellm0704]

All I know is that I called this troll out on being bad news and spoke my mind and I have infractions from it.

 

[Russ S]

All I know is that I called this troll out on being bad news and spoke my mind and I have infractions from it.

Troll or not, the forum rules still apply.

 

[Russellm0704]

I understand that and I know why I received the infraction. I just reported this troll several times and no actions seemed to be taken. Maybe they are and I have no way of telling but that is just my stance. I'm not trying to be disrespectful