Has anyone tried this cross

[Josh in CA]

i know this would be very frowned apon in the herp community but has anyone every really even tried crossing all 3 strians of albinoism in to one gecko? I'm not saying this should be done because many people are not responsibale to not sell there intermediate offspring{het for only 2 of 3} but if ahigh quility breeder that breed them for there personal collection then i dont see what would be wrong about this.

 

[Khrysty]

Why would anyone want to do that? You'd have, essentially, normals with a triple het... what's the point?

 

[Halley]

As far as I've heard they don't look any different.

 

[robin]

As far as I've heard they don't look any different.

different than what?

 

[Whitey]

A normal???

 

[Tommy13b]

it would be neat to see, i dont think anyone has done this cross before, but it would be hard to do because you would get alot of poss hets bell, rainwaters, and tremper, which i imagen would be very hard to sell them to make room for more hachlings,

 

[robin]

without proving the animal out how would you know what it would look like?

personally i think it is wrong to cross the strains together.

 

[Enigmatic_Reptiles]

+1, There would be no point in doing this cross.

 

[kcexotics]

If you crossed a tremper with a bell and bred the babys to each other.Could you produce a gecko that carries BOTH simple recessive traits(assuming the odds are in your favor).Or would it be one or the other.
I understand why you dont breed them together,and I never would but just curious how the albino gene works.Is it even possable to produce a bell tremer.Or would the offspring be either bell or tremer?

 

[Khrysty]

If you crossed a tremper with a bell and bred the babys to each other.Could you produce a gecko that carries BOTH simple recessive traits(assuming the odds are in your favor).Or would it be one or the other.
I understand why you dont breed them together,and I never would but just curious how the albino gene works.Is it even possable to produce a bell tremer.Or would the offspring be either bell or tremer?

Bell x Tremper = 100% normal het bell and tremper. It's not possible to produce a Bell Tremper albino. 2nd gen offspring would be either/or.

 

[kcexotics]

Bell x Tremper = 100% normal het bell and tremper. It's not possible to produce a Bell Tremper albino. 2nd gen offspring would be either/or.

TremperXBell=normal double hets
Double HetxDouble Het=????????

I'm asking if a leo can be homo tremepr and bell...Kinda like a snow ball python .

 

[Khrysty]

TremperXBell=normal double hets
Double HetxDouble Het=????????

I'm asking if a leo can be homo tremepr and bell...Kinda like a snow ball python .

I'm nearly 100% positive that the answer is no, you can't be homozygous for both or all three albino strains.

 

[Tony C]

I'm nearly 100% positive that the answer is no, you can't be homozygous for both or all three albino strains.

It is possible, but proving a double/triple homozygous albino would be a pain and create a lot of genetically messy offspring along the way.

 

[Wandering Paddle]

Its a terrible idea, but it could be done. There has been a homozygous bell homozygous tremper produced. Its just like any other simple recessive mutation... there is no limit to how many mutations you can add; however, you would never be able to visually tell a triple homo vs a double homo vs a single homo albino, so you would have to test breed to tell... thats a lot of test breeding which would produce about 20 babies minimum (all of them being het for various unkown albino strains) assuming you used a triple homo male on your first try (this isnt likely). It would be more realistic to assume you would need to test breed multiple males to three females each, so hundreds of babies would be produced that should never be bred... bad idea

 

[kcexotics]

Its a terrible idea, but it could be done. There has been a homozygous bell homozygous tremper produced. Its just like any other simple recessive mutation... there is no limit to how many mutations you can add; however, you would never be able to visually tell a triple homo vs a double homo vs a single homo albino, so you would have to test breed to tell... thats a lot of test breeding which would produce about 20 babies minimum (all of them being het for various unkown albino strains) assuming you used a triple homo male on your first try (this isnt likely). It would be more realistic to assume you would need to test breed multiple males to three females each, so hundreds of babies would be produced that should never be bred... bad idea

I saw Ed Clark Selling "Typhoon or hurricane" project Geckos on kingsn*ke.com.I'm almost positive they were double het raptor and rainwater...This is a no no??? I may be wrong I went and tried to find the ad I'm talkin about but it's not up anymore.

 

[Josh in CA]

KC has what i ment in grasp i ment all homo for the strains i know all the other offspring would be normal looking and the intermediate offspring would only be useable for this one project it would end up with with a triple homo albinos not saying it should be done probily never should was just wondering if it had been done before?

 

[Northstar Herp]

Wandering Paddle has said that there has been a bell/tremper produced...

and I'm with the "what's the point" crowd, especially since almost every day somebody posts a thread about what kind of albino a leo is, and lots of times even the experienced breeders can't say without an eye shot. So even if you did do it, how much different would it look? They're so similar already, it's not like bells are blue and trempers are green and putting them together would make a green gecko.

 

[goReptiles]

There's no point. Mixed albino morphs like that aren't the most desirable among so many people, you'd pretty much get stuck with all the offspring you produced while trying to get a tremperbell or bellrainwater or whatever. There was someone on here that was selling normals possible het for bell and tremper; I forget who it was, but he sat with those geckos available for a LONG time.

 

[cassadaga]

I saw Ed Clark Selling "Typhoon or hurricane" project Geckos on kingsn*ke.com.I'm almost positive they were double het raptor and rainwater...This is a no no??? I may be wrong I went and tried to find the ad I'm talkin about but it's not up anymore.

Typhoons are the Rainwater version of a Raptor, but they do not have any Tremper blood. The Tremper should be bred out of the Eclipse before the Rainwater gene is introduced.