hobby endangered

[malik454]

this new law would take away our hobby/reptilesnon native/amphibians non native and more/ and make the econimie worst because their would breeders livelyhood and what they love doing gone down the drain so wacth this vid to help keep our hobby going

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vc4irtsYi0k

 

[lillith]

full text of proposed law

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h111-669

It sounds like it is intended to keep non-native animals from being released from captivity, but then there are all these smaller restrictions adding up; i.e. anything non-native whether or not it was raised in captivity (seems unfair to the captive bred critter in question - to me anyhow), any such species deemed invasive by some panel must be considered non-mailable...hmmm.

I think this needs more research. We most certainly can write letters of concern to the folks sponsoring this bill. There has to be some compromise. But at this point, this hasn't even reached the floor. Good to know about though. Thanks!

I don't know, it seems every few years some piece of scary legislation comes along about exotic pets. They hardly ever pass draconian measures. I mean, I don't think people should keep tigers in NYC condos, either, I don't care how much money they have. But I think very widespread and popular pets like geckos and boas and tarantulas and axolotls and such would be very, very difficult to just eradicate out of American homes.

I think the concern here is more whether or not the non-native species in question can crowd out a native species if accidentally or intentionally let loose in the native ecosystem. That's why there's no ferrets or gerbils in CA, for example.

 

[Haligren]

They just recently passed an exotic pet ban in BC. I've been afraid to look into it for fear of having to apply for an expensive permit in order to own my geckos. But the articles in the paper made it sound more like it applied to the more dangerous exotic pets - pets that people shouldn't even have as pets in the first place - like, tigers, chimpanzees, man-sized pythons and boas, etc. They also mentioned poisonous ones like cobras and various species of spiders. Leopard geckos seem trivial and don't bare any threat to the BC environment - way too cold for most of the year for them.

It still has me just an itty bit worried though....>.> I hope they don't pass the ban down south though.

 

[malik454]

do you all seriously think this law will pass if so will it affect leopard gecko

 

[malik454]

do we the people get to vote on this / whats the percentage of this happening

 

[mynewturtle]

it won't affect the geckos, or many other species just(sounds wrong "just") pythons and boas I belive for this law. Still you will be able to keep leopard geckos, colubrids ect. But don't expect them not to go after the oh so dangerous geckos in the future.

 

[crotaphytidae]

That is false it will affect leopard geckos and all reptiles for that matter as well as tropical fish, exotic birds including parakeets, and all small mammals except rabbit breeds. This will destroy this hobby. Read the other two threads just below this one as well as the link posted above and you will see. They made a list of what will be allowed and leos are not on it or any reptile/ amphibian for that matter.

 

[Daidra]

They won't be able to pass this law as there are to many people in the reptile buisness like Ron tremper,Jmg reptile and all the pet stores in the United States and look at the veteinarian side it would take all the exotics away,Also look at the reptile expos it would take the money and fun from,trust me when I say this Law will be shut down.

 

[JordanAng420]

My hobby and my job are screwed if this really does pass...pretty scary IMO.

 

[malik454]

yeahh it is preety scary

 

[SleepyDee]

That is false it will affect leopard geckos and all reptiles for that matter as well as tropical fish, exotic birds including parakeets, and all small mammals except rabbit breeds. This will destroy this hobby. Read the other two threads just below this one as well as the link posted above and you will see. They made a list of what will be allowed and leos are not on it or any reptile/ amphibian for that matter.

think you mean this section here ->

(5) NONNATIVE WILDLIFE SPECIES.—The term ‘‘nonnative wildlife species’’—
(A) except as provided in subparagraph
(C), means any live species or subspecies of animal that is not a native species or subspecies, whether or not born or raised in captivity;
(B) except as provided in subparagraph (C), includes—
(i) any such live, wild species or subspecies of mammal, bird, fish, reptile, amphibian, insect, mollusk, crustacean, arthropod, coelenterate, or other invertebrate, and
(ii) any viable egg, sperm, gamete, or other reproductive material or offspring
thereof;
(C) does not include any species that is—
(i) specifically defined or regulated as a plant pest or approved for biological control purposes under the Plant Protection Act (7 U.S.C. 7701 et seq.); or
(ii) defined or regulated as a threat to livestock or poultry under the Animal Health Protection Act (7 U.S.C. 8301 et seq.); and
(D) does not include any cat (Felis catus),
cattle or oxen (Bos taurus),
chicken (Gallus gallus domesticus),
dog (Canis lupus familiaris),
donkey or ass (Equus asinus),
domesticated members of the family Anatidae (geese),
duck (domesticated Anas spp.),
goat (Capra aegagrus hircus),
goldfish (Carassius auratus auratus),
horse (Equus caballus),
llama (Lama glama),
mule or hinny (Equus caballus x E. asinus),
pig or hog (Sus scrofa domestica),
domesticated varieties of rabbit (Oryctolagus cuniculus),
or sheep (Ovis aries), or any other species or variety of species that is determined by the Secretary to be common and clearly domesticated.

 

[crotaphytidae]

That's correct, that is the current approved list of non-native animals allowed to be sold, traded, etc. if a person wanted leos on there they would have to pay a fine and then it would take up to 36 months to get them on there, that''s 2 breeding seasons and hundreds of thousands of dollars lost in the economy.

 

[Dan K.]

We ALL need to do our part to make sure this dose NOT PASS print out the bill post it in ALL the pet store's in your area. please for the sake of the reptile community we need to do something about this!!!!!!!

 

[GroovyGeckos.com]

Possible Federal Ban on Non-Native Species?

I am not able to view the pdf file, I figured I will ask what is going on. Can anyone post the info here, for some of us, less than computer savvy geck-heads? Thanks!

 

[Khrysty]

Basically congress is in the process of reviewing a bill that could *potentially* ban nearly all non-native species we keep as pets: lizards, snakes, and even gerbils included.

http://pijac.org/i4a/pages/index.cfm?pageid=504

^-- There's another link to some very basic information.

Essentially, they're making three lists: the "safe" species, the "dangerous" species, and the ones that they dont have enough information on.

Everyone that isn't on the "safe" list will be banned from importation, and breeding in the US will have to come to a halt, you couldn't sell the animals anymore, and they'll put a limit on the amount you can own (at least that's my understanding)

Leos aren't on the "safe" list yet, along with many other types of harmless animals. The link they have on the notice board encourages you to write to congress with reasons why the pets we keep shouldn't be banned.

I, personally, think this bill, as is, is ridiculous. I assume it came about because of the non-native snakes overpopulating the everglades, but not ALL non-native animals even CAN live in the wild, here in the US for very long. Most don't do damage to anything...idk..It seems like they've overlooked a very important aspect of the pet industry.

 

[Khrysty]

Is anyone at least drafting a letter to congress at this point? Do you think it's neccessary?

I don't believe they can responsibly shut down such a thriving contribution to the economy. Exotics make a lot of money, and as has been mentioned, exotic vets would be out of jobs (unless they work in zoos--but really, how many zoos are there in relation to exotic vets?)

And they couldn't really be entirely sure that such widespread pets, like Leos, gerbils, tarrantulas, etc could ever be entirely taken from the pet sphere. It's just not rational to think that they could police all of that.

So why are they trying? I don't think anyone with common sense and at least a fraction of understanding about how many exotic pets there are in the US could possibly let this pass...

So let's hope congress has common sense?

 

[Dan K.]

than just ban retics. and anacondas those are the ones that are eating all the gators in FL, you don't see little gecko's eating gators now do you!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Khrysty]

than just ban retics. and anacondas those are the ones that are eating all the gators in FL, you don't see little gecko's eating gators now do you!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Exactly my point! My leos could never even survive if they escaped my home. The temps and food availability are so drastic from what they need...how can they be lumped in with the animals that are, at best, pests, and at worst, violent killers? It just doesn't make sense..

If they're going to have this law, they NEED to amend it.

 

[GroovyGeckos.com]

Thanks for the post! I do not have a way to view that type of file. So I figured this thread could help some others view the info as well. :main_thumbsup:

 

[Foreverandever]

Wow...that's just dumb

What the heck is my tiny little gecko going to do if it gets outside? He has a better chance of getting killed by a cat or a bird of prey than making it 3 blocks away :main_rolleyes: