hummm... *dent* what to do

[eric]

russian roulette? the hobavator is a tried and true method of incubation for MANY years for MANY different species of reptiles. i think you are playing russuan roulette by using the S.I.M. if i remember correct it was released in august of 2009, so it is less than a year old. i am sure some success has come from it but as far as tried and true its got a long way to go.

LOL!:main_no:

 

[KelliH]

Look, I'm not trying to ruffle anyone's feathers, trust me that is the last thing I want to do! But I have to speak up from years of experience using a Hovabator successfully. I just can't sit here and let it be stated as fact that they are crappy and don't work well when I have living proof that they do.

 

[robin]

it's my opinion eric, i used hobavators set up like kellis using deli cups for four years. i had very few eggs go bad or that did not hatch. i have never had eggs that dented. the only reason i ever had a moldy egg if it was infertile from the get go.

i think kelli's success with her hobavators hatching out 500-700 geckos a season using them, says a lot.

the SIM has been out less than a year and is already exhibiting problems and it isn't even for sure if the hova is the exact problem just seems like that because so many people use hovabators. i would have thought that would have been the first incubator they would have tested it on since so many of their customers and possible customers use hobavators. i find it odd that they are sending out SIMS to be beta tested (and get feed back) to certain individuals yet are selling them at the same time they are being tested.

 

[eric]

My Hovabator's have holes top and bottom. Maybe that's something new or within the last 6 years. I don't know. But I'm simply stating my research and what I found. That's it. Plan and simple.

 

[robin]

i bought my last hovabator about four years ago and it did not have holes. none of mine had holes. so maybe the simple fix is to tape up the holes or plug them up with chewing gum or something LOL

 

[eric]

it's my opinion eric, i used hobavators set up like kellis using deli cups for four years. i had very few eggs go bad or that did not hatch. i have never had eggs that dented. the only reason i ever had a moldy egg if it was infertile from the get go.

i think kelli's success with her hobavators hatching out 500-700 geckos a season using them, says a lot.

the SIM has been out less than a year and is already exhibiting problems and it isn't even for sure if the hova is the exact problem just seems like that because so many people use hovabators. i would have thought that would have been the first incubator they would have tested it on since so many of their customers and possible customers use hobavators. i find it odd that they are sending out SIMS to be beta tested (and get feed back) to certain individuals yet are selling them at the same time they are being tested.

I understand and I respect your opinion. But I didn't just spend the last 6 months testing the SIM in the Hovabator to be told the Hovabator is perfect. Not going happen! :main_thumbsup:

 

[eric]

i bought my last hovabator about four years ago and it did not have holes. none of mine had holes. so maybe the simple fix is to tape up the holes or plug them up with chewing gum or something LOL

:main_thumbsup:

 

[herpencounter]

Eric.

What is the lowest temp you have used the sims at?

 

[robin]

I understand and I respect your opinion. But I didn't just spend the last 6 months testing the SIM in the Hovabator to be told the Hovabator is perfect. Not going happen! :main_thumbsup:

personally i think it is a design flaw most probably something very small and easy to fix. perhaps its simply the size (for using with the hobavator) or perhaps the height of it. before testing the SIM in the hobavator, had you had experience and success with the hobavator?

 

[eric]

I have model # 1602N. I have six holes on top with two red plugs(plugs from the manufacturer) and four open holes on the bottom. I'd also like to state which I forgot to mention is your climate plays a huge roll in how your Hovabator works. And I like to apologize if I offended anyone with my findings. I did not set out to bash the Hovabator but to inform of issues I've had with incubating with the SIM and deli cups. Sorry.

 

[eric]

Eric.

What is the lowest temp you have used the sims at?

Room temperature (65-70 degrees) my Rhac's. Obviously not in the Hovabator. I've hatched around 20 clutches of Rhac eggs with 100% hatch rate on fertile eggs with the SIM. That's why I believe the SIM to be an amazing container.

 

[robin]

what type of success did you have with the hobavator prior to using the SIM in it?

 

[robin]

Room temperature (65-70 degrees) my Rhac's. Obviously not in the Hovabator. I've hatched around 20 clutches of Rhac eggs with 100% hatch rate on fertile eggs with the SIM. That's why I believe the SIM to be an amazing container.

with heat (the heat used for incubating leopard geckos) on what have been your lowest temps using the SIM?

 

[eric]

personally i think it is a design flaw most probably something very small and easy to fix. perhaps its simply the size (for using with the hobavator) or perhaps the height of it. before testing the SIM in the hobavator, had you had experience and success with the hobavator?

Robin I'm not going lie I have had good luck with hatching eggs out of the Hovabator, but I've been battling with temperature fluctuations and more females hatching out that were incubated for male. But we get pretty cold here. And I have my fair share of denting and moldy eggs. But after incubating all my Rhac eggs in the SIM at room temp the product isn't flawed.

 

[herpencounter]

Room temperature (65-70 degrees) my Rhac's. Obviously not in the Hovabator. I've hatched around 20 clutches of Rhac eggs with 100% hatch rate on fertile eggs with the SIM. That's why I believe the SIM to be an amazing container.

You get good humidity at temps like that...

 

[eric]

with heat (the heat used for incubating leopard geckos) on what have been your lowest temps using the SIM?

Got it! I tested the SIM in the Hovabator at 83-84 degrees and 89-90 degrees. And I had better results in the 83-84 degrees range. Incubating in the 89-90 degree range proved to have some humidity issues.

 

[eric]

You get good humidity at temps like that...

100%:main_thumbsup:

 

[robin]

Robin I'm not going lie I have had good luck with hatching eggs out of the Hovabator, but I've been battling with temperature fluctuations and more females hatching out that were incubated for male. But we get pretty cold here. And I have my fair share of denting and moldy eggs. But after incubating all my Rhac eggs in the SIM at room temp the product isn't flawed.

did you plug your hobavator into a thermostat? if not did you put your hobavator in a room with constant temps? we get really hot here and our humidity averages about 55%. (so it is hard to get high humidity but i have never had dents, like i have said before) also the temps change here like most clean people change their underwear. incubating rhacs at room temp is different than leos, with the leos you are are adding heat which completely changes the entire way the SIM works.

 

[robin]

Got it! I tested the SIM in the Hovabator at 83-84 degrees and 89-90 degrees. And I had better results in the 83-84 degrees range. Incubating in the 89-90 degree range proved to have some humidity issues.

were you able to get it down to 80 degrees and still keep the humidity?

 

[eric]

did you plug your hobavator into a thermostat? if not did you put your hobavator in a room with constant temps? we get really hot here and our humidity averages about 55%. (so it is hard to get high humidity but i have never had dents, like i have said before) also the temps change here like most clean people change their underwear. incubating rhacs at room temp is different than leos, with the leos you are are adding heat which completely changes the entire way the SIM works.

Now see your changing the Hovabator. As I stated before we get cold here. So, no, the room fluctuates from 70 degrees during the day to 65 at night. I would also disagree about humidity on a none heated SIM. The only difference that I saw is the direction the heat is coming from. At room temp. the temps are pretty consistent all around the container. In the Hovabator the main heat source is directed down, And I believe that is where the issue is.