Marble Eye Leopard Geckos! (Not Eclipse)

[Gazz]

My point is, that if you don't like it, don't buy it. Period.

No worrys i won't be. But in two years time when the price drops through the roof, And there next to nothing and evey where. And i'm looking for a nice Eclipse eye to breed with mine, And i find what looks Eclipse eye but in fact a Marble eye, Then i breed them only to end up with double HET Eclipse eye,Marble eye offspring. This scenario is bound to happen a fair mount of people.

 

[Wild West Reptile]

Maybe Pat Kline can chime in when he gets back from his mini vacation this weekend. Or maybe you should call him, he's more than willing to discuss them in detail. I'm sure he can tell you much more about it since he has been working with them and has produced some nice ME's. But like I said before...if you don't like it, then don't buy it. I don't care for enigma's, but I'm not bashing them on posts about them. If your so against the ME's then maybe don't read, look, or post about them. Works for me.

 

[Wild West Reptile]

But now trying to sell another eye trait that looks JUST LIKE Eclipse

Let's see the eclipse eye that looks "just like" a marble eye.

 

[Gazz]

Doesn't look like it to me! I don't see any marbling in an eclipse eye. If you have a marble eyed eclipse please post so I can see it. But if its just solid....then to me, that's not worth the money either. There's tons of solid, red and black eyed geckos out there. Common.

Talbino marble eye.
http://www.theurbangecko.com/files/reptiles/marble_eye-4.jpg

Talbino eclipse eye.
http://www.geckosetc.com/images/avail/Available Pictures/RPF30_Leye_600.jpg

 

[Gazz]

Maybe Pat Kline can chime in when he gets back from his mini vacation this weekend. Or maybe you should call him, he's more than willing to discuss them in detail. I'm sure he can tell you much more about it since he has been working with them and has produced some nice ME's. But like I said before...if you don't like it, then don't buy it. I don't care for enigma's, but I'm not bashing them on posts about them. If your so against the ME's then maybe don't read, look, or post about them. Works for me.

No need to get worked up. It's just your for them. I am not we have Eclipse eyes in the market, That's my opinion. I was just saying that like with the Albino strains i can see mess in the future. Like Even now, Today there's still people that think they have a Eclipse eye when infact they have a Super snow, So miss-ID is easy made. Not every one is going to share you opinion and getting worked up is not healthy:main_thumbsup:.

 

[xanderville]

As cool as it can be to have a new morph gene, I have to agree with the potential confusion this may cause if the marble eye is proven to have no other genetic differences after test breeding.

 

[KelliH]

I have something similar going on in my Bell line. The eyes aren't as cool as the Marble Eyes, but they look a little different than Eclipse eyes.

 

[Wild West Reptile]

Im not getting worked up. :smoking:
THIS is worked up!! :furious3:
LOL!!

I understand now why you are against them. You are selling eclipse eyes. That's all you needed to say. But bashing a new eye isn't going to stop everyone from buying the latest and greatest anything. I think it's poor business actually. But that's just my opinion.

Go look at the marble eyes from Matt's Geckotimes article. I don't see the eye from the RAPTOR you posted to be anything like those two. I know Steve Sykes and he's pretty damn sharp and if he thought that eye was special, he would have sold it as that. But he didn't. Regardless, I respect your opinion, because I too hope that it doesn't get mixed into things it shouldn't be in. Hopefully the breeders who get their hands on these guys will not further breed them into morphs that will muddy up the waters but will breed them into morphs where it will only enhance the current morph.

You can't stop what has already begun. Breeders have made huge investments in the ME's already and they WILL come. Let's hope they do it right. I think we can both agree on that. :main_yes:

 

[Wild West Reptile]

I have something similar going on in my Bell line. The eyes aren't as cool as the Marble Eyes, but they look a little different than Eclipse eyes.

Those eyes are very cool!! Nice work Kelli. I love them. Don't tell Gazz though. :main_evilgrin:

 

[Gazz]

I understand now why you are against them. You are selling eclipse eyes. That's all you needed to say. But bashing a new eye isn't going to stop everyone from buying the latest and greatest anything. I think it's poor business actually. But that's just my opinion.

Why would that make me agenst them ?, Selling a Leo for $60 is way easyer than selling one for $3000. I'm not for them coz there just a eye trait, If they had more to offer if the eye trait was linked to a body pattern/color'etc that to me would be worth it. But sorry all i can see it confusion in the future and people not knowing wheather they have Eclipse eye or Marble eye, It happens so often with the three albino strains.

 

[Gazz]

Go look at the marble eyes from Matt's Geckotimes article. I don't see the eye from the RAPTOR you posted to be anything like those two.

Why ? that fact you didn't say "That Talbino eclipes eye dosen't look like a Talbino marble eye". Proves my point, You ask me to find a Eclipse eye that looked like a Marble eye. That what i did, So why would i need the ones from the Geckotimes article, A Marble eye is a Marble eye, So the other two Marble eye from the article don't matter. The Talbino eclipse eye i posted looks like the Talbino marble eye i posted. So that mean fact that Eclipse eye can look just like Marble eye.

 

[Wild West Reptile]

Whatever makes you feel better. Your spot on. Marble eyes are no different than eclipse. Even though that's the only one you could find. I'm gonna tell Matt he's a fraud. Lol!

 

[Northstar Herp]

Not just to be different, but the more stuff like this that comes out, the less excited I become about leos. There's just too many different morphs, and every one added makes it even more confusing, not that they aren't cool to look at. Several different mutations that are easily confused in one animal is not my idea of fun.

You boys are illustrating my point in the quoted post. Is it ok to quote myself? I think so.

This kind of stuff is why I'm all done with leopard geckos. You can have 'em.

 

[Wild West Reptile]

We can assure everyone it is not related to the eclipse gene, and is a totally new simple recessive eye trait. There are some other cool pattern/color traits that seem to be occuring

http://www.theurbangecko.com/leopard-geckos/marble-eye

"This cross has given me some of the weirdest looking geckos. A lot of them have a darker appearance; some even have large dark spots. Whatever this cross did it is amazing." -Matt Baronak

"There are things about it that when you think you have it figured out it throws you a curve ball and shows you it can do something else." -Matt Baronak

You may see a theme in reading all of the above.....and that theme is that the Marble eye is MORE than just a new eye mutation. The actual breeders who are working with it and producing ME's are finding very interesting things occurring in the look of the gecko, not just the eye.

P.S. I hope geckoforums.net never goes down again! I was having withdrawals the last 24 hours! Happy 4th everyone!

 

[Wild West Reptile]

I have something similar going on in my Bell line. The eyes aren't as cool as the Marble Eyes, but they look a little different than Eclipse eyes.

How do yo get such close up eye shots Kelli? They are amazing!

 

[snared99]

Once again the only thing the Eclipse and ME gene have in common is they are simple recessive. When combined together they make animals double het for both genes, a big no no. It is the same issue with the blizzard and raptor gene, HOW do you know what is what when the eye trait is showing without test breeding. However the ME gene looks alot different then the eclipse gene in person. We will not release any non albino animals without disclosing all genetic info or making sure they are not het. The ME came from tremper Sunglows, thus most are hypos. We have already started getting the gene out of the sunglows, but it will take awhile.
As far as price goes, I think most of us can remember RAPTORs once being over $2000, for a new eye trait. So I dont see much difference.
I have seen in person what this trait does to other genes, and im very excited. Everyone has to keep in mind this is very ground floor, and no one wants to share info which is not correct. Perfect example is the APTOR and RAPTOR. APTORs were released then the RAPTOR, but almost all APTORs carry the eclipse gene. But it took time to learn this info. SO it will take some time to get more answers. So I guess sit back and enjoy the ride(if you have a ME), or sit back and wait for educated info from those breeding this new morph.
As always im Availible by phone or Email for any questions

 

[rickmoss95]

I can understand, however there have been instances were buyers bought into morphs with the suggestion that said morph was a "gene enhancer" or would produce potentially "brand new morphs" etc. and then for some reason it never happens.

The Marble Eyes that Craig has are without a doubt Marble Eyes, but as far as them having a "super hypo look to them", well that is simply because they are super hypo tangerine Trempers. I know when Craig obtained his Marble Eyes and he has not had enough time at all to figure out if they contain any "hidden genes" or not. Personally I hope they do but if not then, well, they are leopard geckos with wicked cool eyes, nothin wrong with that!

i see! thanks kelli!

 

[rickmoss95]

Once again the only thing the Eclipse and ME gene have in common is they are simple recessive. When combined together they make animals double het for both genes, a big no no. It is the same issue with the blizzard and raptor gene, HOW do you know what is what when the eye trait is showing without test breeding. However the ME gene looks alot different then the eclipse gene in person. We will not release any non albino animals without disclosing all genetic info or making sure they are not het. The ME came from tremper Sunglows, thus most are hypos. We have already started getting the gene out of the sunglows, but it will take awhile.
As far as price goes, I think most of us can remember RAPTORs once being over $2000, for a new eye trait. So I dont see much difference.
I have seen in person what this trait does to other genes, and im very excited. Everyone has to keep in mind this is very ground floor, and no one wants to share info which is not correct. Perfect example is the APTOR and RAPTOR. APTORs were released then the RAPTOR, but almost all APTORs carry the eclipse gene. But it took time to learn this info. SO it will take some time to get more answers. So I guess sit back and enjoy the ride(if you have a ME), or sit back and wait for educated info from those breeding this new morph.
As always im Availible by phone or Email for any questions

im glad someone WITH EXPERIENCE with this gene chimed in, thanks! it funny how unless its RON TREMPER coming out with a new morph, so many people wanna doubt it! and alot of Rons "new morphs" are already existing variations of other stuff(in my humble opinion, and others share my views). i have done as much research as i can on this morph and i WILL spend the monry on some of them! i did miss quote that craigs were pure ME's(as this is what he told me), but i still will own these animals as soon as they are ready...and once people(probably alot of doubters) see the combo potential of these animals...and see the "enhancer or hidden" type genes these animals do infact carry...i think they will eat thier words, with a side of crow. but anyways, im glad someone else(who knows) has cleared things up a little bit, thanks Patrick! and Kelli, my "someone with experience" comment, was IN NO WAY directed at you!

 

[rickmoss95]

i just spoke with craig on the phone, and they are infact a sunglow(in his pics on his website), so when he told me they were "pure marble eyes" he meant they were not crossed into any OTHER morphs...other than what they already are. i mistook it as they were non albinos, my bad....but i am getting some as soon as they are ready. he is hatching them out right now, actually.

 

[KelliH]

and Kelli, my "someone with experience" comment, was IN NO WAY directed at you!

Oh no worries at all! I may end up with some at some point but only after the Tremper gets bred out of them completely!