Marble Eye Leopard Geckos! (Not Eclipse)

[rickmoss95]

Oh no worries at all! I may end up with some at some point but only after the Tremper gets bred out of them completely!

im sure i wont be the first, but that is one of my goals for sure! i have some ideas for both the marble eyes and the white and yellow...those are my main two projects, well...they will be once i get my marbles.

 

[Wild West Reptile]

Once again the only thing the Eclipse and ME gene have in common is they are simple recessive. However the ME gene looks alot different then the eclipse gene in person.
I have seen in person what this trait does to other genes, and im very excited.

This is exactly what I was explaining to Gazz. Guess I didn't pound it in hard enough! :smash:

 

[geckoboa]

We have a few of these in our collection and I can attest that MEs look different than eclipse's in person. They originally popped out from Matt Baronak's tremper sunglows and there must have been a reason for him to pull that original gecko aside and test breed him with an eclipse. As far as muddying up the waters between these an eclipses, it's bound to happen the same as the albino strains, but any of the responsible breeders, myself included, will breed the tremper out of them the right way. This will take years and the use of pure subspecies but that is the only way to do it right. I have produced double hets so far this year and hope to start popping out some visuals soon.

 

[lillith]

I've seen Bells with eyes like Kelli's pics, too.
I wonder if you could test breed to see if it's line related, or something else?

 

[Baoh]

However the ME gene looks alot different then the eclipse gene in person.

I have seen in person what this trait does to other genes, and im very excited.

What instruments/assays did you use to look at said genes?

"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means." -The Princess Bride

The misuse of specific terminology as a means to appear better versed has gotten beyond out of hand.

Saying what you see/observe is one thing, but claiming beyond that as fact is irresponsible. Same as it ever was for any product.

 

[snared99]

What instruments/assays did you use to look at said genes?

"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means." -The Princess Bride

The misuse of specific terminology as a means to appear better versed has gotten beyond out of hand.

Saying what you see/observe is one thing, but claiming beyond that as fact is irresponsible. Same as it ever was for any product.

Ok I read this 4 times, please tell me what it is exactly you would like me to answer? And I can assure you I do not need to use big words to sound 'better versed', my 2 college degrees help me out with that.

 

[snared99]

And in case you were wondering I was talking about the animals phenotype not the genotype in the qoute you have up top. And no where did i ever misrepresent the product, in fact there are great eye shots on my site to take a glance at if you do not take my word for it.

Being irresponsible would be to say when mixed with different morphs it makes something totaly crazy and new, but as you can see I have no ttalked about any of the combos so no one is mislead.

 

[lillith]

I think that's what they were getting at, being uber-technical on genotype vs. phenotype because you used the word "gene" instead of a phrase like, "phenotypical effects from this genotype".

I can understand wanting to promote accuracy, but the way it was done was in poor taste. There's always the option to just clarify definitions by volunteering them, or asking clarifying questions.

 

[KelliH]

We have a few of these in our collection and I can attest that MEs look different than eclipse's in person. They originally popped out from Matt Baronak's tremper sunglows and there must have been a reason for him to pull that original gecko aside and test breed him with an eclipse. As far as muddying up the waters between these an eclipses, it's bound to happen the same as the albino strains, but any of the responsible breeders, myself included, will breed the tremper out of them the right way. This will take years and the use of pure subspecies but that is the only way to do it right. I have produced double hets so far this year and hope to start popping out some visuals soon.

I gotta correct something. The Marble Eye's actually popped out of Alberto Cadolini's Tremper Hyglo project years ago. I remember him sending me photos and we had several discussions about them. I know it's semantics but I feel Alberto did so much with his projects but gets so little credit. Just had to give props where props are due.

 

[geckoboa]

I gotta correct something. The Marble Eye's actually popped out of Alberto Cadolini's Tremper Hyglo project years ago. I remember him sending me photos and we had several discussions about them. I know it's semantics but I feel Alberto did so much with his projects but gets so little credit. Just had to give props where props are due.

If Alberto found these first then I stand corrected. I was told directly from source of them now that the original animal was noticed from a group of geckos that didn't sell at a show. I know his geckos are somewhat one and the same as Alberto's so you are probably correct and I misunderstood what I was told. Either way I agree that Alberto deserves credit for his work in this hobby.

 

[robin]

Talbino ralbino balbino ugh

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[Wild West Reptile]

Why are so many people against the marble eye? I don't get it. How is it different from any other albino morph that can be accidently mixed together? This is already going on and it does happen from time to time. Look at this current thread...http://geckoforums.net/showthread.php?t=77609.

NOBODY, i would think, wants or trys for this, but it can happen......in ANY project. Not just in Marble eyes! I feel sorry for Dennis that this happened to him. It's unfortunate that the breeder he got them from misinformed him of their proper albino strain.

I'm tired of reading about how this is going to be a headache, nightmare, etc. with the marble eye. In my opinion, this is a biased, ignorant stance. This is a new and exciting genetic trait that has popped up and I for one can't wait to see it's full potential when breed the proper and responsible way.

 

[KelliH]

I agree and I will be investing in some Marble Eyes, just don't want the headache of breeding out the Tremper. I'll wait.

 

[Wild West Reptile]

I agree and I will be investing in some Marble Eyes, just don't want the headache of breeding out the Tremper. I'll wait.

:main_thumbsup: Thanks Kelli. I'm glad somebody understands.

 

[KelliH]

Oh I'm all for new morphs! What, you didn't know I am a leopardgeckophile? hehe

 

[Baoh]

I think that's what they were getting at, being uber-technical on genotype vs. phenotype because you used the word "gene" instead of a phrase like, "phenotypical effects from this genotype".

This, more or less.

I like the marble eye look, too, but speaking for a gene, no matter how many appeals to authority one makes as well, when describing a trait, contributes no good to the discussion, and makes the person making the statement appear *less* informed. I want to see the marble eye succeed, so there's no need to kick its legs out from under it before it's stable.

The whole "gene unlocker" sort of junk that someone uninvolved started long ago is unsubstantiated and has been perpetuated in gecko morph mythology.

 

[kevinb]

Very cool!

Kevin Bullis

 

[snared99]

This, more or less.

I like the marble eye look, too, but speaking for a gene, no matter how many appeals to authority one makes as well, when describing a trait, contributes no good to the discussion, and makes the person making the statement appear *less* informed. I want to see the marble eye succeed, so there's no need to kick its legs out from under it before it's stable.

The whole "gene unlocker" sort of junk that someone uninvolved started long ago is unsubstantiated and has been perpetuated in gecko morph mythology.

This is exactly why I didnt want to comment on the gene unlocking capibilities of the Marbled Eye. I have seen one example of a unique gecko, but none have popped out of my breedings. I think people use the 'gene unlocker' excuse way too much for marketing purposes.

 

[rickmoss95]

Why are so many people against the marble eye? I don't get it. How is it different from any other albino morph that can be accidently mixed together? This is already going on and it does happen from time to time. Look at this current thread...http://geckoforums.net/showthread.php?t=77609.

NOBODY, i would think, wants or trys for this, but it can happen......in ANY project. Not just in Marble eyes! I feel sorry for Dennis that this happened to him. It's unfortunate that the breeder he got them from misinformed him of their proper albino strain.

I'm tired of reading about how this is going to be a headache, nightmare, etc. with the marble eye. In my opinion, this is a biased, ignorant stance. This is a new and exciting genetic trait that has popped up and I for one can't wait to see it's full potential when breed the proper and responsible way.

in my opinion....anything new, that someone does not produce themselves(especially if it has potential to be great), is under scrutiny from the beginning! people cant just be happy for someone else's success(because it wasnt them), and they have to pick it apart and try to find what ever they can that is wrong, or just make up some stupis a** "what if"s. that is what is wrong with our hobby...everyone wants to create the "next big morph", and if its someone else, they label it as "no good" or whatever. it is greed, and the want to be the "next big name breeder"...that simple. i think it is rediculous how people act in this hobby, like little jealous children. pitiful. it seems like no matter how beautiful, breathtaking, different, or whatever...someone just HAS to crap on it....i personally LOVE it when others succeed and create or finds a new gene! for one i would want someone to be happy for me if i was the one who found or created something new, but i guarentee SOMEONE would crap on it, no matter how incredible it was. that is just how alot of reptile people are.

 

[UnicornSpirit]

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Edit: of course, I'm a retard and don't read past the first page to see that he already posted. Lol! :x