sand sand sand

[Gazz]

I keep mine on sand not had a problem other that one female.One reason for leo's for taking in large amount substate is lack of minirals etc.how ever i came across somthing interesting couple year back i think there's no helping some leo as some seem to have composive licking habbits one of my females would lick every thing in the end i had to put her on paper.Thing is i bred her and some of the baby off her seem to have the licky temperment i sold the babys one i sold to a to somone i know he started it life on paper as i alway do when it got to sub adult he put her on sand and he had to put her back on paper coz it wouldn't stop licking the sand it licked every things i gave him my female to go with her offspring to live a life on paper.I only go for leo's that have no sign's of a licking temperment and all of mine are not really licker's they only do so when they are in a differant invierment like most leo's tasted the air to see what's about.Any my point is i think that some leo's have a composeive licking temperment and if they are there's no helping them and in my experiance seem to be genetic but this has only happen once to me so not bullet prof but i just keep well a way from them type of leo's.Nothing wrong with keeping leo's on sand but some you have to whatch as maybe composive licker.

 

[Scott&Nikki]

WARNING: The views expressed below are soley those of Scott and should not be mistaken for "proven fact". Viewer discretion is advised.

As many people here know, I am highly against sand. However, I will stress it is my OPINION. I have heard about 4 or 5 from this thread and my vet has told me about 4 cases. MOST of these are from calci-sand, but i have heard of them also from playsand, moss, and bark. About caresheets, they are on most, if not all of the sponsor links at the top of the page. PLEASE do not use petstores as a source of sand being ok. They are some of the worst when it comes to reptile care. My thinking is, no matter how "rare" or "uncommon" impaction is, it is not worth the risk in my mind. I don't think a small percentage, even less than 1%, is worth it in my mind. And with that I am done.

**My opinion**

Did I say it enough? :yes:

 

[robin]

WARNING: The views expressed below are soley those of Scott and should not be mistaken for "proven fact". Viewer discretion is advised.

As many people here know, I am highly against sand. However, I will stress it is my OPINION. I have heard about 4 or 5 from this thread and my vet has told me about 4 cases. MOST of these are from calci-sand, but i have heard of them also from playsand, moss, and bark. About caresheets, they are on most, if not all of the sponsor links at the top of the page. PLEASE do not use petstores as a source of sand being ok. They are some of the worst when it comes to reptile care. My thinking is, no matter how "rare" or "uncommon" impaction is, it is not worth the risk in my mind. I don't think a small percentage, even less than 1%, is worth it in my mind. And with that I am done.

**My opinion**

Did I say it enough? :yes:

BUT a couple of specks that you cant even see and barely feel are ok?
outa sight outa mind?

 

[Scott&Nikki]

BUT a couple of specks that you cant even see and barely feel are ok?
outa sight outa mind?

LOL not at all "out of sight, out of mind". A couple specs cannot build up. A "build up" is defined as an excess causing a blockage - impaction. The point of using only a couple specs is so that does not happen.

 

[Golden Gate Geckos]

A l-o-n-g time ago, my Mom told my brother and me that if we played with matches, we could get burned. I thought that only really stupid people would get burned if they played with matches. So, my brother and I decided we weren't stupid enough to get burned, so we started playing with matches. We didn't get burned!

We kept playing with matches, and still never got burned. Boy, we must be really smart! All our friends must be smart, too... because when we all played with matches, nobody go burned!

After awhile, we were getting really good at playing with matches. We had a couple of close calls, BUT WE WERE TOO SMART TO GET BURNED!!!

Then one day when my brother and I were playing with matches, he burned his finger and his reflex was to fling the match. He flung it into his hair. His hair caught on fire!!!

It was then that I realized that it wasn't that stupid people got burned when playing with matches... it was only stupid people that played with matches.

 

[Scott&Nikki]

A l-o-n-g time ago, my Mom told my brother and me that if we played with matches, we could get burned. I thought that only really stupid people would get burned if they played with matches. So, my brother and I decided we weren't stupid enough to get burned, so we started playing with matches. We didn't get burned!

We kept playing with matches, and still never got burned. Boy, we must be really smart! All our friends must be smart, too... because when we all played with matches, nobody go burned!

After awhile, we were getting really good at playing with matches. We had a couple of close calls, BUT WE WERE TOO SMART TO GET BURNED!!!

Then one day when my brother and I were playing with matches, he burned his finger and his reflex was to fling the match. He flung it into his hair. His hair caught on fire!!!

It was then that I realized that it wasn't that stupid people got burned when playing with matches... it was only stupid people that played with matches.

HAHAHA, I love it. I mean, unless that really happened lol. Thanks for that.

 

[robin]

marcia what about that smoke you threw in that teachers hair?

 

[Golden Gate Geckos]

marcia what about that smoke you threw in that teachers hair?

That was another incident of just how smart I thought I was... but we're not going there, are we...

 

[Golden Gate Geckos]

Anyway, the moral of the story is:

When someone tells you that if you do something potentially dangerous that there are possible negative consequences, the 'smart' thing to do would be to take their word for it... and not test the theory yourself. Just because it hasn't happened yet, doesn't mean it won't happen!

 

[BalloonzForU]

I love you MOGL!!!!

 

[robin]

Anyway, the moral of the story is:

When someone tells you that if you do something potentially dangerous that there are possible negative consequences, the 'smart' thing to do would be to take their word for it... and not test the theory yourself. Just because it hasn't happened yet, doesn't mean it won't happen!

my mom used to tell me not to use sharp knives cuz she was afraid i would cut myself and russ doesn't like it when i use them, it makes him nervous. but i do

 

[DanTheFireman]

marcia what about that smoke you threw in that teachers hair?

Robin, please keep Marcia away from your dog.

 

[KiKi]

sand is bad, my son printed out the impaction page so if we go to a petstore he can show the stupid employees how bad it is. marcias right why do it if it can harmyour reptiles

 

[ReptileMan27]

Anyway, the moral of the story is:

When someone tells you that if you do something potentially dangerous that there are possible negative consequences, the 'smart' thing to do would be to take their word for it... and not test the theory yourself. Just because it hasn't happened yet, doesn't mean it won't happen!

wow, very well said:main_thumbsup:. I just will never understand why someone would still choose to use or reccomend something that has killed before and will again:main_no:. Out of all these sand debates, I still havent seen ONE good reason to use sand,but I guess for some people, a dead animal is what it takes:main_no:

 

[Gazz]

it is not worth the risk in my mind. I don't think a small percentage, even less than 1%, is worth it in my mind. And with that I am done.

Breeding leo's can as rare as it is can result in a female becoming egg bound.Dose that mean that we should not breed leo's coz a small percent can become egg bound ??? would you say breeding leo's not worth the risk ???.

Some leo's are not safe with any substate i've even head of leo's eating kitchen roll paper it's a problem for individual leo's not all leo's.I can't see how sand is a problem for a speices that can be found in the wild in DESERTS and arid grasslands area's.

 

[Scott&Nikki]

Breeding leo's can as rare as it is can result in a female becoming egg bound.Dose that mean that we should not breed leo's coz a small percent can become egg bound ??? would you say breeding leo's not worth the risk ???.

Some leo's are not safe with any substate i've even head of leo's eating kitchen roll paper it's a problem for individual leo's not all leo's.I can't see how sand is a problem for a speices that can be found in the wild in DESERTS and arid grasslands area's.

Breeding is natural... sand is not. That is all I am saying. I'm completely done with this sand topic as I think we all should be.

 

[robin]

sand is natural. it is in its normal environment, as is dirt and rocks

 

[Scott&Nikki]

Ok

 

[ReptileMan27]

sand is natural. it is in its normal environment, as is dirt and rocks

that depends, leos live in more rocky areas, yea they may come into contact with sand but that doesent mean its natural for them:main_thumbsup:.

but more importantly, I cant stress this enough, the wild and captivity are 2 totally different things:main_thumbsup:. Animals generally live longer in captivity, because we can avoid things like this. Just because it maybe somewhat natural for them,doesent mean its safe or something you should use in captivity. Predators like snakes are natural and something they can come across in the wild, are you going to put a snake in the cage because it is natural and something they might come across in the wild:main_no:

 

[robin]

me personally no. i do not have any lizard eaters but some people do