Two questions

[Northstar Herp]

I bought this leopard a couple of years ago, and can't remember what type it is. I've done some searching on the net, and found this site that seems to identify her as a Bell Albino:

http://www.geckosetc.com/htm/morphs.htm

I have two questions. Is she a Bell Albino, and if she is, what is an appropriate pairing for her? I don't want to mess up all the hard work that went into separating all these cool morphs.
Here's a picture of our girl, "Mr. Bill" (My kids named her.)

 

[Olimpia]

I can't say, I have a male that looks exactly the same almost but he's a Tremper albino. So I'm not going to confirm or deny the morph (someone else will come by who knows). But if she is a bell you can do all sorts of crosses - the only way you'd be making a genetic mess would be to mix her with other albinos.

But you can cross them with just about anything. Half the fun of breeding is mixing two morphs you like to see what comes out.

 

[Taquiq]

I think he's a Bell because his eyes are really light. Trempers are darker.

 

[BalloonzForU]

Tremper

 

[Tsks7205]

id say its a tremper.

 

[Mel&Keith]

Looks like a Tremper to me. Where did you get her? There weren't nearly as many Bells available a couple of years ago and they were far more expensive than Trempers so that might be another clue.

 

[Enigmatic_Reptiles]

Looks Tremper to me.

 

[OneFootedAce]

IMO its a tremper, body looks bell, but eyes say tremper

 

[Northstar Herp]

OK, looks like we're reaching a concensus.

I got it at the New England Reptile expo, and it wasn't much, maybe $12 bucks or so. Though I think it's lost it's tail before, so maybe that has something to do with it.

So if it's a Tremper, are there any breeding considerations???

 

[meador pythons]

ok now im confused dont albinos have red eyes and i have a female that looks identical to that one and was told it was a normal maybe im wrong i dont know

 

[Northstar Herp]

ok now im confused dont albinos have red eyes and i have a female that looks identical to that one and was told it was a normal maybe im wrong i dont know

Yeah, I'm having trouble with that too. The difficulty for me is also that I've seen pictures that say they are a bell, and they seem to look just like mine. Check out the link I posted.

Maybe they are not true albinos, but just called that?

 

[acpart]

Some albinos have red eyes, those with the eclipse gene. Most albinos have regular colored eyes with red veining. I have heard that Bell eyes are different from tremper, but since I only work with tremper I couldn't tell you. If you can post a close-up of the eyes, maybe someone can tell. Albinos have no black pigmentation and non-albinos do. There can be a gray area where it's hard to tell because some albinos can be very dark brown. I have a tremper albino hatchling that is quite dark and its tub-mate is a tang whose black bands are fading out, so they look almost identical, but I know that one is an albino because I saw both of them after hatching. An albino is either an albino or it's not, no halfway. Most of the time Bell albinos are darker brown, almost a burgundy, but it would be hard to tell for sure between a bell albino and a dark tremper from one photograph.

ALIza

 

[Northstar Herp]

IMO its a tremper, body looks bell, but eyes say tremper

Can you explain a little more about the eye difference between a tremper and a bell?

 

[g3ckosr4me]

Tremper

 

[cocogecko]

I think bells have pinkish eyes while trempers got silver eyes

 

[Northstar Herp]

Here's a better eye picture. Seems she's a tremper, especially because of the price when I got her, but maybe the eye will tell.

Now can somebody tell me what would be good to cross her with?

 

[T-ReXx]

Here's a better eye picture. Seems she's a tremper, especially because of the price when I got her, but maybe the eye will tell.

Now can somebody tell me what would be good to cross her with?

I would be confident identifying that as a Tremper Abino. Now, as far as crosses go, there are tons of options. It really depends on what you want to breed for. The only thing I wouldn't cross her with is a Bell or Rainwater Albino, as you're not really going to go anywhere with that project except double hets which could be taken a step forward to create more trempers and bells or rainwaters. Some good suggestions would be Enigma(for tremper enigmas) SHTCT(for Sunglows/Tangelos) Blizzard(blazing blizzard), Snows(tremper snows/super snows) Giants(tremper giants/super giants), or whatever, really. Trempers are base line morphs for many great combinations. Do some research and decide what direction you want to go in and how many generations you want to have to go through to reach your goal(for example, Tremper Snows first gen with a Super Snow male, Super Snow Trempers 2nd gen breeding the offspring together vs. several generations in order to achieve Blazing Blizzards with Tremper genes). The possibilities are really endless.