W & Y?

[lillith]

http://geckoforums.net/showthread.php?t=53762

Anyone else remember this thread?

or this article?
http://www.sprept.com/en/projects/article-5/

 

[robin]

ok so i was reading over those two threads and i see a little something in the geckounlimited article but not a big difference and the ones i have seen in the US look nothing like those animals. i mean the "morph" has been around since 1996 and no one still knows anything about them. it's not like they have a solid characteristic to them except for the fact some look a bit different (paradox spots and white tails) but honestly they just look like some form of hypo to me, like a hypo yellow lavender.

 

[Enigmatic_Reptiles]

I agree. I still stand behind that until the method of inheritence can be confirmed you cant call it a morph. I like the look of some of the W&Y I have seen but I think its just a type of hypo with something polygenetic in the mix.

 

[KelliH]

This gecko reminds me of some of the photos here-

http://www.sprept.com/en/offer/lizards/

 

[Landen]

I'm not sold on the W&Y... sounds to me like it's awfully familiar to the claims of the Galaxy being a new morph, when in reality it's just a line bred version of an existing combo morph. But if people want to spend the big money to take the risk on them, that's their decision. Just my opinion though. Good luck to those that are working with them, and please continue to post pics so we can see the progression.

 

[Landen]

This gecko reminds me of some of the photos here-

http://www.sprept.com/en/offer/lizards/

Oh wouldn't it be funny to find out that the hybrid is how the W&Y came about....lol. I can hear the threads starting up now....

 

[Mateusz Hajdas]

White & Yellows orginate from Europe, but not much has been done to understand how the gene really works. Some stated the trait is polygenetic, which is obviously not. The trait is inherited in dominant or co-dominant way. I think it's a dominant trait, altough I haven't done W&Y x W&Y pairing. The breeder where W&Y orginates from has been crossing them together for many years, I believe if the gene would be co-dom there would be some kind of visual super form.

There are few animals from this project that are hard to classify. They doesn't look like a W&Y, but doesn't look normal either. If one sees such an animal there will be obvious doubts about the authenticity of this morph. The gene is passed to the offspring but it's still uncertain what makes some geckos to look different than normal but doesn't give 100% certainty to be W&Y (Incomplete Dominance?).

Another thing is almost all W&Y were bred to Hypo Tangerines, that's why almost all look like Hypos. Altough I have a female W&Y I was told to be around 6-7, maybe even 8 years old. She looks quite normal, but lack some black spotting. In my opinion the morph at it's own is subtle, but when combined with other genes it makes some really nice things with colors and patterns. Kind of like ball python morphs that look normal but does crazy things in combos.

 

[rickmoss95]

Where did you get the w&y from?

i bought EVERY gecko i have from the Urban Gecko. not that i am not going to diversify my bloodlines, i just have not gotten all the ones i want that he has yet. once i get a few more and my marble eyes, i have others in mind. i have quite a few i am getting from Thad @ ohio gecko also. he has some amazing stuff, and i think we may end up doing some projects togeather. he actually has some stuff that is amazing, and some exclusive stuff that i have not seen anywhere else.

 

[rickmoss95]

I'd rather hear from someone in Europe, they've had them longer.
Not that I don't drool incessantly at the JMG website...


Maybe we could wait for a volunteer...or hope for a collaboration?

agreed 100% not enough work has been done with them in north america for ANYONE here to write an article, other than speculation...and i would rather have facts.

 

[rickmoss95]

here is my white and yellow sunglow. he is an $800.00 gecko, and ill tell you right now, ide buy another one without thinking twice about it. i also dont understand the difficulty some of you are having in the heritability of this trait...it is PROVEN dominant. go to theurbangecko.com and check out his writeup about them in his "collection" section. these animals are stunning and obvious in person and i am putting him to at least six of my females, that is how much i believe in this morph. i have also read some writings from european breeders who have worked with these alot more than anyone in north america, so again, i dont see why the difficulty in the genetics of these. and if you looked at jeff galewoods w&y and cant see a difference...well, im going to be polite, but i dont see how THAT is not TOTALLY obvious to you??? HMM if it were me buying, if there was not 100%sure, with NO DOUBTS about the animals being a white and yellow, its a no brainer...these things are absolutely AMAZING in person, and are as obvious as an albino or a snow to me...? a REAL, white and yellow, is absolutely EASY to tell the difference in person, and if you are not thinking that it is a white and yellow, then it is probably NOT a white and yellow...and if you are not sold on them, dont buy em...seems pretty logical to me.

 

[rickmoss95]

http://geckoforums.net/showthread.php?t=53762

Anyone else remember this thread?

or this article?
http://www.sprept.com/en/projects/article-5/

i honestly dont think that(the first link) is a real white and yellow...personally, i would NOT buy that as a white and yellow...that is where alot of the confusion is, people selling hypos for white and yellows. just my opinion.

 

[robin]

look at some of these http://www.geckosunlimited.com/comm...ther-eublepharis/26924-super-eublepharis.html (you have to sign in to see the photos.) they sure look different than what people over here in the US are calling W&Y

 

[rickmoss95]

i totally agree Robin, i couldnt count how many "White and Yellows" i have seen that are NOT White and Yellows! alot of what people are calling W&Y are NOT...simple as that. i think that a real W&Y is obvious...at least to me and others i have talked to, i think the idiots who are lying and selling hypos or whatever for W&Y's are the reason for so much of the confusion! i would never buy one from any but the PROFESSIONAL breeders that i KNOW personally...and people like Chris(Gecko Park)or Kelli, and i dont really know her, but the ones who OBVIOUSLY KNOW what they are talking about. there are just so many liars and people trying to make a quick buck, that it is slowly ruining our hobby...

 

[fuzzylogix]

i saw one of Jeff's W&Y geckos on the table at the last NARBC show. I have a great amount of respect for JMG, but honestly it wasn't something I would drop that much money on. Looked like a hypo to me. i agree that some of the confusion is some breeders trying to take advantage of people who know no better, but i breed geckos to produce what i like. the market does dictate what to breed in most cases, but if it's not something i would personally keep, then it gets away from being enjoyable to just being a business. if you look back at this thread, there are people saying W&Y is dominant, incomplete dominant, dominant polygenic, etc. Until the genetics are proven, the confusion will remain.

 

[lillith]

This one is most what I think of when I hear W & Y:

http://www.geckosunlimited.com/community/attachment.php?attachmentid=187&d=1194176058

I can see how it would have subtle effects on other morphs by this and the other photos there.

Thanks, Robin!

p.s. my bets are on incomplete dominant. mwah ha!

p.p.s. this one looks reasonably authentic to me: http://www.jmgreptile.com/cimages/wy014.jpg

 

[KelliH]

The high white sides are pretty cool.

 

[Wild West Reptile]

here is my white and yellow sunglow. he is an $800.00 gecko, and ill tell you right now, ide buy another one without thinking twice about it. i also dont understand the difficulty some of you are having in the heritability of this trait...it is PROVEN dominant. go to theurbangecko.com and check out his writeup about them in his "collection" section. these animals are stunning and obvious in person and i am putting him to at least six of my females, that is how much i believe in this morph. i have also read some writings from european breeders who have worked with these alot more than anyone in north america, so again, i dont see why the difficulty in the genetics of these. and if you looked at jeff galewoods w&y and cant see a difference...well, im going to be polite, but i dont see how THAT is not TOTALLY obvious to you??? HMM if it were me buying, if there was not 100%sure, with NO DOUBTS about the animals being a white and yellow, its a no brainer...these things are absolutely AMAZING in person, and are as obvious as an albino or a snow to me...? a REAL, white and yellow, is absolutely EASY to tell the difference in person, and if you are not thinking that it is a white and yellow, then it is probably NOT a white and yellow...and if you are not sold on them, dont buy em...seems pretty logical to me.

That's a beauty Rick. Thanks for posting him up.

 

[xanderville]

For some reason, some of these posts seem like an ADVERTISEMENT for a certain breeder........hmmmmm. One poster in particular......

Just cause a reputable breeder has it does not mean it has been completely proven. The air needs to clear a bit, and before anything is set in stone the genetics need to be clarifeid. There is mixed info coming from different breeders who are WORKING with these. Once all genetics are clarified I would love to see what these could do for other projects. Bring on the various colors and awesome patterns. I have seen some amazing W&Y's (and then some normal looking ones from the SAME breeder)

But even misinformation can come from the breeders (cough...the galaxy)

 

[acpart]

I did send a message to jmgreptile (who is registered with GF) directing him to this thread.

Aliza

 

[KelliH]

here is my white and yellow sunglow. he is an $800.00 gecko, and ill tell you right now, ide buy another one without thinking twice about it. i also dont understand the difficulty some of you are having in the heritability of this trait...it is PROVEN dominant. go to theurbangecko.com and check out his writeup about them in his "collection" section. these animals are stunning and obvious in person and i am putting him to at least six of my females, that is how much i believe in this morph. i have also read some writings from european breeders who have worked with these alot more than anyone in north america, so again, i dont see why the difficulty in the genetics of these. and if you looked at jeff galewoods w&y and cant see a difference...well, im going to be polite, but i dont see how THAT is not TOTALLY obvious to you??? HMM if it were me buying, if there was not 100%sure, with NO DOUBTS about the animals being a white and yellow, its a no brainer...these things are absolutely AMAZING in person, and are as obvious as an albino or a snow to me...? a REAL, white and yellow, is absolutely EASY to tell the difference in person, and if you are not thinking that it is a white and yellow, then it is probably NOT a white and yellow...and if you are not sold on them, dont buy em...seems pretty logical to me.

That is a nice gecko. I have a question. How many years has The Urban Gecko been producing W & Y's?