What to breed with a black pearl?

[leoman777]

im with gregg i vote bell enigma dark leo with red eyes would kick butt

 

[herpencounter]

I would breed her with a B.E.E.

 

[paulnj]

We have already talked

 

[Gregg M]

I don't see why people want to just make albinos, patternless and hypos with black pearls.
The whole point of this morph is that it is the closest thing to a melanistic or all black leopard gecko.

Might need a refresher on your morphs... LOL

#1 The bell albino strain makes albinos with pretty dark pigment... Add in the Emigma gene and the eyes are red...

Breeding it to a patternless or a hypo will produce animals with a dark but clean pattern on the body in theory...

Please explain to me how adding the super snow gene will make it any darker than the morphs mentioned already as a possible outcross... From what we have seen thus far, the visual super snow is unchanged no matter what its genetics are unless it is a super snow albino, patternless, or blizzard... What all the super snows do have in common that is very important here is the white body color... So in theory, adding the super snow gene will cancel out the darker body color and turn it white...

 

[skmcwilliams]

Thanks everyone. I appreciate all your opinions and suggestions. I know it will ultimately come down to what road I want to take this project. It just seems so many roads and I don't know yet which one is better paved I will post pics of my girl once I get her settled in and start looking into each male that was suggested. Keep the suggestions/votes coming.

 

[Blizzard Lizard]

Once the genetics are figured I'd probably say an enigma.

 

[Halley]

I say wait until the males are released. Then grab one of them and breed her to it.

 

[JohnxII]

Kendra, honestly, I would not clean any slate until you know exactly how the genetics work...

It really all depends on what you are trying to get out of this project... I would personally go with a bell enigma to try and keep the darker pigment in the albino form... A dark leo with red eyes would kick butt...

Congratulations on your new gecko and good luck...

I'd say Bell enigma as well. Diablo Negro anyone? :evil:

 

[Baoh]

I'd mate it to a dark male normal or just a typical normal, whether its macularius or another subspecies such as fasciolatus or afghanicus, see what comes of it in terms of whether it is passed on as dominant variant or recessive variant (incubating for only males), and then go freaking nuts the second season by breeding the male offspring to 1) the mother and 2) every item you'd ever consider that fits within your budgetary allowances. If it's dominant, it would be a good because you'd see results quicker. If it's recessive, it would be good because you'd maintain market control longer.

 

[ademar]

Hi, i`m working for LivingArtGeckos. I think the mack snow murphy patterlness, mack super snow or something similar will be the best way to go with BP. But this is only my personal opinion, because until this day i do not understand in 100 % genetics of BP. I think You should ask Konrad about this, if you want to have the best opinion.

 

[Tommy13b]

Id say raptor just to see what you get..

 

[Lordoftheswarms]

Might need a refresher on your morphs... LOL

#1 The bell albino strain makes albinos with pretty dark pigment... Add in the Emigma gene and the eyes are red...

Breeding it to a patternless or a hypo will produce animals with a dark but clean pattern on the body in theory...

Please explain to me how adding the super snow gene will make it any darker than the morphs mentioned already as a possible outcross... From what we have seen thus far, the visual super snow is unchanged no matter what its genetics are unless it is a super snow albino, patternless, or blizzard... What all the super snows do have in common that is very important here is the white body color... So in theory, adding the super snow gene will cancel out the darker body color and turn it white...

The hypo black pearls look more muddy yellow than clean dark background.
What is the rest of the morph name of hypo? Hypomelanistic is a reduction in black pigment!
My suggestion was to get rid of the yellow, as well I included the emphasis of dark high speckled super snow, such as:
http://www.jmgreptile.com/shop/prod_1105.html
I think you would get a fairly dark leo, none of the shitty yellow/brown that people are complaining about regarding the bps, along with barely noticeable pattern. The visual of the super snow does change without adding albinism, or patternless/blizzard. Look at the variety among the super snows:
http://www.jmgreptile.com/shop/cat_19_0.html
Furthermore, you would get all black eyes, just as you would with eclipse.
You are wrong in theory. In practice, I bet you are too.

Have a look at a picture of a hatchling on this page. Looks similar to what I expect super snow black pearl hatchlings would be.
http://www.geckoforums.net/showthread.php?t=39308&page=3

 

[skmcwilliams]

The hypo black pearls look more muddy yellow than clean dark background.
What is the rest of the morph name of hypo? Hypomelanistic is a reduction in black pigment!
My suggestion was to get rid of the yellow, as well I included the emphasis of dark high speckled super snow, such as:
http://www.jmgreptile.com/shop/prod_1105.html
I think you would get a fairly dark leo, none of the shitty yellow/brown that people are complaining about regarding the bps, along with barely noticeable pattern. The visual of the super snow does change without adding albinism, or patternless/blizzard. Look at the variety among the super snows:
http://www.jmgreptile.com/shop/cat_19_0.html
Furthermore, you would get all black eyes, just as you would with eclipse.
You are wrong in theory. In practice, I bet you are too.

Have a look at a picture of a hatchling on this page. Looks similar to what I expect super snow black pearl hatchlings would be.
http://www.geckoforums.net/showthread.php?t=39308&page=3

Well interesting for sure after checking this out.

http://crestedgecko.com/index.php?page=super-snow-blizzard-hatchlings

It does darken up the blizzard gene for sure but would still take out the pattern. After seeing the new enigma diablo blancos that Ron has, I am worried that none of the darker color will get through on them. The Enigma DB's still look like regular DB's to me. My question is even with the Super snow and blizzard not having the albino gene in it to possibly be the culprit in washing out the black has anyone really bred color into the blizzard gene. Like a tangerine blizzard? I didn't know if it couldn't be done or just no one has really bothered to take hets from that pairing and breed together.

 

[yellermelon]

Me..personally. I wouldnt cloud up the genetics alrerady there. I would go Afghanicus, or somthing..BOLD and dark.

 

[skmcwilliams]

Me..personally. I wouldnt cloud up the genetics alrerady there. I would go Afghanicus, or somthing..BOLD and dark.

Believe me, still considering this option as well (defintely the safe option). That is the problem it seems like every day I lean towards something and then the next day I have completely changed my mind.:main_huh::main_rolleyes:

I have gone out and looked over the Afghanicus, some look SUPER dark other like a normal leo.

Can anyone point me to who is actually working/breeding these right now to ask about their availability?

Does anyone know if ANYONE is just working a hyper melanistic line bred project (other than Jeff Sr., they won't have any males available for some time )? PM me if you don't want to post it here, this would be greatly appreciated.:main_thumbsup:

 

[DarthGekko]

To be safe you should buy the BP male since you have first shot at him and keep the line true. Then go wide from there next year. Just my 2 cents.

 

[skmcwilliams]

To be safe you should buy the BP male since you have first shot at him and keep the line true. Then go wide from there next year. Just my 2 cents.

Yea, believe me I would if I thought Craig would release them before males started to become available from other people breeding them. He is a wonderful breeder don't get me wrong but he is no dummy either he will hold back males as long as he possibly can:main_yes: I can't get him to even give me a ballpark time frame when he might make any available.

 

[Halley]

Yea, believe me I would if I thought Craig would release them before males started to become available from other people breeding them. He is a wonderful breeder don't get me wrong but he is no dummy either he will hold back males as long as he possibly can:main_yes: I can't get him to even give me a ballpark time frame when he might make any available.

I wish I had $6,000 for a pair of geckos!

 

[DarthGekko]

Yeah, I agree that the time frame and the $$$ are substantial obstacles. Whatever you decide I wish the best for you. Keep us updated on what you do

 

[Paco]

Yea, believe me I would if I thought Craig would release them before males started to become available from other people breeding them. He is a wonderful breeder don't get me wrong but he is no dummy either he will hold back males as long as he possibly can:main_yes: I can't get him to even give me a ballpark time frame when he might make any available.

Craig was smart about this project for sure. He Bought the Whole thing. He knows the odds and #'s that can be produced from the females he released and will With hold males for as long as he can for sure, it's only smart for him to do so. Males Flood the Market early females do not. Especially if the Trait is Co-dom or Dom. Look at what happened to the Enigma.

I myself will never pay that amount again for any Leo, Not worth the money, Don't care what the morph is.jmo

I would go the Dark Patternless( Non albino) route to Prove her out as het. . Incubate for all female and when the Males are avaiable Get A BP Patternless or Het Male from Craig and you are Ahead of the Game for the next breeding season.