white & yellow (calico) genetics

[dprince]

Ken Starr, where are you?

At the end of the day, whether related or not, the "W&Y" and "ENIGMA" are heading in different paths. I like the look of the W&Y , but think the original "ENIGMA" animals were less appealing in appearance myself. I can't think of one person who isn't trying to get genetics and most of all color and patterns into the ENIGMA to improve it.

Good point, Paul. :main_thumbsup:

 

[snared99]

It's true. But it's food for thought!! :main_yes: I'm always glad to learn more things about leopard geckos. Sometimes, thoughtful debating is a good way to learn.

Just my two cents.

I agree as long as the debating doesnt turn into arguing, and is actually progressive:main_thumbsup:

 

[dprince]

I agree as long as the debating doesnt turn into arguing, and is actually progressive:main_thumbsup:

Totally. :main_yes:

 

[Golden Gate Geckos]

I think that theoretical debates are healthy and positive! It give us food for thought, and stimulates our brains. One of the things I appreciate the most here of GF is that we can have these discussions in a respectful and professional manner, and hopefully learn something along the way!

 

[snared99]

I think that theoretical debates are healthy and positive! It give us food for thought, and stimulates our brains. One of the things I appreciate the most here of GF is that we can have these discussions in a respectful and professional manner, and hopefully learn something along the way!

My point exactly. I love seeing what eveyrone thinks and what their opinions are, but not when discussions turn the other way...lol

 

[boutiquegecko]

Based on the outcomes so far from Dawid and Sergi-is it poss the w&y is a type of incomplete or co dominant?


Going back to read over the blue tail-they claim they are not enigmas as they are from tremper het crosses and no one else is breeding them. Always possible that the genes creating the enigma and the blue tail come from the same group of geckos though.

 

[Kotsay1414]

Based on the outcomes so far from Dawid and Sergi-is it poss the w&y is a type of incomplete or co dominant?

It is also possible the White & Yellow morph is just a dominate trait. I have not seen a "Super" form thus far.

 

[Gregg M]

Based on the outcomes so far from Dawid and Sergi-is it poss the w&y is a type of incomplete or co dominant?

Not sure how you got that from their postings...
It is most likely a dominant just like the Enigma...

 

[boutiquegecko]

And only in the last year we crossed W&Y with Super hypo tangerine and Blazing blizzard at the first time.
In first case we had F1 litter similar to Super hypo tangerine. And in case of Blazing blizzard we had F1 litter similar to normal."

If the wy was dominant, wouldn't they have gotten wy het for albino and blizzard, not normals? (when crossing enigma x bb do you get enigmas double het or some normals?)
Also Dawid said they did a wy x normal and got 1 of each. Shouldn't both be wy?
Then they bred the normal sibling x what? he didn't say and got 80-90% wy's.

Dawid, what was the normal sibling crossed with? Another wy or a different morph?

 

[Gregg M]

Hi Guys . I got some experience with w&y ...
w&y x classic = 80 - 90 % w&y geckos

Looks like it is acting dominant to me...

 

[zenonleo]

He crossed classic gecko ( sibling from w&y ) and 80 - 90 % hatched geckos were w&y .

 

[zenonleo]

i mean that classic sibling from w&y had some w&y gens .. and when my friend crossed him with classic female he got some w&y !!

 

[Jeremy Letkey]

I think that until you can provide the exact details, you should refrain from posting.

The exact pairing and their genetic history would be helpful. As well as all of the offspring results, along with pictures. This is the type of information that we need to make conclusions.

 

[zenonleo]

ok when the 1 geckos come out from eggs i will made pics and post here ; )

 

[sbord_tom]

"good things take time" So only time will tell

 

[Wezul]

Dawid,
Are W&Y geckos available for sale over there?
I was just thinking if the W&Y have been around longer than Enigmas, wouldn't there be more W&Y geckos available then Enigmas? In fact, I am having great difficulty finding info on these W&Y's, I have been searching a few (8-10) UK sites and no references of W&Y, only Enigmas. I REALLY like the look of the W&Y, just seems to be a bit of a 'needle in a haystack' when one tries to find them. I'm not saying I would personally purchase and have one shipped, I'm just interested in the morph.
Maybe I'm just searching the wrong breeders?

 

[yupik]

This morph is quite expensive - about 200-250 euro (last year they were no more than 50 euros).
At the moment W&Y are hard to get in Poland.
This is strange , because if they are dominant there should be lots of W&Y on the market (first group, about 20 young geckos were sold in Poland about 3-4 years ago).

I was talking with breeder that crossed male W&Y with normal classic female last year and if I remember I saw pictures. He got lots of hatchlings that looked like W&Y (specific look with white stripe) but all hatching were sold and there is no info about how they look now at age of 1 year.

Some breeders from Poland are making W&Y crosses this season so maybe after this season there will be much more information about W&Y genetics.

 

[Griesi]

At the Hamm Show they had been even more expensive
Compared to some enigmas quite cheap and some of them have such a appealing appereance, that they are worth it.
Can`t wait to see the albino version of it.

 

[zenonleo]

Many w&y are sick and in a bad condition . In probably 2003 - 2004 ( im not sure ) to poland come many w&y . But 90 % died because they had bacterias and anothers strenght things...

 

[Golden Gate Geckos]

Many w&y are sick and in a bad condition . In probably 2003 - 2004 ( im not sure ) to poland come many w&y . But 90 % died because they had bacterias and anothers strenght things...

May I ask what proof you have of this other than something you heard of?