POLL - NAMING MORPHS

[Golden Gate Geckos]

OK... so far based on the total number of people who voted and the options given, 95.01% of the people are not completely satisfied with the way breeders are naming 'new' morphs. I think this is significant.

 

[Jeremy Letkey]

First of all, I hope that everyone can agree that we will all never totally agree. lol

I personally find names like the RAPTOR easier because the genetics are right in the name itself.

The genetics in this name are actually wrong. Shouldn't it really be called a Tremper albino eclipse?

When I see a SHCT for sale, I know it is a super hypo carrot tail leopard gecko. If I see a MSS for sale, I know it's a Mack Super Snow. If I saw an "Orange Blossom" for sale, I'd go, "what is an Orange Blossom?"

This is not the same for everyone though. Some people do not know that a MSS = Mack super snow. They have to learn it. We all start somewhere.

I agree with Jeremy that through time, a named morph will catch on in time through respect and knowledge of the breeder who first named the morph.

Thanks for agreeing with me and the wonderful name I have given to the red stripe Rainwater albinos. lol:main_laugh:

Trying not to let my ego get in the way. Shouldn't be a problem since it is on the bottom of your shoe. lol


This thread is similar to the leopard gecko registry thread. We as a community can not and will not all agree. It will never happen.:main_evilgrin:

 

[gecko breeder]

sometimes i cant understand when i see msct or something like that, i think its better just to say, it for some people to undersatnd it.

 

[malt_geckos]

I'm not against naming, nor am I really for it either. Sounds like a cop-out, but my reasons are this - naming something other than what the genetic make-up reveals can be dangerous for the breeding community. If people aren't careful when they choose mates and do not fully understand the genetic make-up for a made up word describing the morph, mistakes can happen, morphs may be sold as something they are not by others, and it makes it difficult for people to understand what they are purchasing. I personally find names like the RAPTOR easier because the genetics are right in the name itself.

I agree with this and I had a hard time putting it into words. I think this will be more of an issue with people who are focusing on linebreeding.

We are working on a project with three different types of morphs in one project. It's a line bred project so we are keeping records on the morphs but we are going to say stuff like "Nuclear Red Stripe" or "Nuclear Tangerine"...stuff like that.

So, what I'm trying to say is, if you want to give it a cool name, say it like this: The cool name you want to give it + plus the morphsand hets.... yeah, it may be longer, but you get your own personal touch on it.

Also, if it's an issue of the name of the morph being to long, I have no problem with breeders calling a morph a special name for their own good, but I believe when it comes to the advertising of the animals the full morph name should be given, and the nickname put in quotes.

Whatever, I can't get Jennas quote to work! lol.

 

[dprince]

First of all, I hope that everyone can agree that we will all never totally agree. lol

Totally.

(Regarding the RAPTOR) The genetics in this name are actually wrong. Shouldn't it really be called a Tremper albino eclipse?

(Regarding the MSS = Mack Super Snow) This is not the same for everyone though. Some people do not know that a MSS = Mack super snow. They have to learn it. We all start somewhere.

I agree with both of your points, Jeremy. Although MSS is just an abbreviation of a name that tells you the genetics..... :main_evilgrin: Of course, we had to learn to understand that "super" means homozygous.......*headscratch*..... I totally see where you are coming from.

Thanks for agreeing with me and the wonderful name I have given to the red stripe Rainwater albinos. lol:main_laugh:

Your name speaks to the genetics, so it makes sense. :main_thumbsup: It's a plus that it's a rockin' name. :main_thumbsup:

This thread is similar to the leopard gecko registry thread. We as a community can not and will not all agree. It will never happen.:main_evilgrin:

Amen to that.

 

[Jenna4Herps]

Thanks for agreeing with me and the wonderful name I have given to the red stripe Rainwater albinos. lol:main_laugh:

Trying not to let my ego get in the way. Shouldn't be a problem since it is on the bottom of your shoe. lol

LOL! See? I am confused and didn't even know it (*looks at bottom of shoe*). You are welcome. Maybe all can't agree, but I really think there is a middle grounding point for all, which is what I tried to say in my earlier post. I do think we need names for easier classifying, but I also think we need to have names that help promote the genetics as well. If we could do both, then I think all would be happy and there would be less confusion.

I guess I was attempting in a political way to make everyone happy lol. Impossible? LOL Probably...

Okay... I place the board back in all of your capable hands.

 

[Golden Gate Geckos]

I think what bothers many of us is that it would be a shame to turn all the names of these wonderful morphs into the the way it's gone with cornsnakes and ball pythons. I know someone who breeds cornsnakes, and whenever something cool hatches she just makes up a new name for it. For example, she had one from a clutch that was the color of rasberry sherbert, so that's what she was marketing it as... a "Raspberry Sherbert" morph. So, people were flocking to her booth at a show to see the Raspberry Sherbet morph. Too bad it's the only one she produced! LOL!

In cases like this, I feel it is all about marketing and making money on the gullibility of the herp community. (OK, go ahead and shoot me for saying that...)

 

[Ccrashca069]

I think what bothers many of us is that it would be a shame to turn all the names of these wonderful morphs into the the way it's gone with cornsnakes and ball pythons. I know someone who breeds cornsnakes, and whenever something cool hatches she just makes up a new name for it. For example, she had one from a clutch that was the color of rasberry sherbert, so that's what she was marketing it as... a "Raspberry Sherbert" morph. So, people were flocking to her booth at a show to see the Raspberry Sherbet morph. Too bad it's the only one she produced! LOL!

In cases like this, I feel it is all about marketing and making money on the gullibility of the herp community. (OK, go ahead and shoot me for saying that...)

My friend Joe is looking all over for a "RootBeer" corn snake morph. After seeing abunch of those morphs and some of the baby ball morphs, I am surprised more and more people's head just don't explode :main_laugh:

 

[SteveB]

I forget who it was here that compared the reptile hobby to the classical signs of an addiction, but it was quite accurate. Much of our community could be compared to addicts chasing their next high. Morphs are comparable to Designer Drugs... complete with fancy names.

 

[malt_geckos]

Thanks for fixing the quote Marcia.

 

[goReptiles]

I think what bothers many of us is that it would be a shame to turn all the names of these wonderful morphs into the the way it's gone with cornsnakes and ball pythons. I know someone who breeds cornsnakes, and whenever something cool hatches she just makes up a new name for it. For example, she had one from a clutch that was the color of rasberry sherbert, so that's what she was marketing it as... a "Raspberry Sherbert" morph. So, people were flocking to her booth at a show to see the Raspberry Sherbet morph. Too bad it's the only one she produced! LOL!

In cases like this, I feel it is all about marketing and making money on the gullibility of the herp community. (OK, go ahead and shoot me for saying that...)

Marcia, that's my feeling. I don't think that a new name is in need for one gecko with a new and different appearance. I think once there are are multiple geckos of the same appearance, then a name is due.

I think with one gecko that is new looking the new name is a market technique to make more money.

 

[A&M Gecko]

I think what bothers many of us is that it would be a shame to turn all the names of these wonderful morphs into the the way it's gone with cornsnakes and ball pythons. I know someone who breeds cornsnakes, and whenever something cool hatches she just makes up a new name for it. For example, she had one from a clutch that was the color of rasberry sherbert, so that's what she was marketing it as... a "Raspberry Sherbert" morph. So, people were flocking to her booth at a show to see the Raspberry Sherbet morph. Too bad it's the only one she produced! LOL!
In cases like this, I feel it is all about marketing and making money on the gullibility of the herp community. (OK, go ahead and shoot me for saying that...)

Marcia
I think we are not talking about some cool out of a clutch here but a brand new combo morph, lets not try to generalize and compare with some that has nothing to do with it.
For the money part, you think I have spend thousands of USD for enigma, raptors and all the rest just for the beauty of the animals? Did you? Did Kelli? Did anyone? Lets be real, it is a hobby and I love my animals, who knows me knows this to be real but it is also about money so the marketing of the new things must be done for the best as we possible can, if it is a new name if it is what ever you can come up with is not right to be judged or voted if is right or not. You can have your opinion about it, yes. You can have chats about it, Yes.

Tangerines keep coming up I noticed, and I can't speak for everyone that has a line of tangs, but for my Electric Tangerines, I added the Electric to the name just to distinguish them from some of the other lines (Urban, Albey etc). They were given this name because the first really kick ass one I hatched out I named Electra, hence all her offspring are "Electric" Tangs. It's not like I called them "Explosions" or "Shoting Stars" or something. They are still Tangs. I could have just called them HISS tangs, it would be the same thing.

Kelli, sorry that this sample keeps coming up but I can feel exactly the same about all the different tangerine lines out there as you guys feel about the new names for combo morph, I do not remember though all this fuss going on when you decide to call your line of tangerine electric whatever is the reason why you did. I respect your reason and never made a comment about it, maybe you guys can do the same, how about this. As I said, lets agree to disagree.
Alberto

 

[Brhaco]

Alberto-

Wow. Wish I'd said that! You're 100% correct.

 

[SaSobek]

my gecko would like to say some thing
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i guess he dosent like this poll :main_thumbsup:
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[Ccrashca069]

Thats a classic Matt. Awesome pics

 

[Brhaco]

First of all, I hope that everyone can agree that we will all never totally agree. lol





The genetics in this name are actually wrong. Shouldn't it really be called a Tremper albino eclipse?



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Well, you COULD-but that would be even more inaccurate. The term "albino eclipse", while more accurate genetically, is less descriptive than "Ruby-eye". And "Tremper albino eclipse" leaves out two important genetic components of the morph-"Patternless" and Tremper "Orange".

Just as an aside, I'd like to point out that all these "striped" and "banded" RAPTORS I'm seeing everyone hatching out are, by definition, not true RAPTORS-since they are not expressing the Patternless gene. But that's another thread

 

[SaSobek]

no john that is a ______________enigma

i cant tell you what kind. its a secret. lets just say he is rare

J/K John thanks for the complement. it was a funny pic
i hope it makes us laugh :main_laugh:

 

[Golden Gate Geckos]

And "Tremper albino eclipse" leaves out two important genetic components of the morph-"Patternless" and Tremper "Orange".

But the RAPTOR doesn't have any 'patternless' genes in it!!! This is a perfect example of how naming morphs can be so confusing. Isn't this (by your terms) inaccurate?

 

[Brhaco]

But the RAPTOR doesn't have any 'patternless' genes in it!!! This is a perfect example of how naming morphs can be so confusing. Isn't this (by your terms) inaccurate?

From Ron Tremper's book:

"A new patternless designer gene surfaced in RTs colony, which was used for this project (APTOR/RAPTOR) based on quality and genetic compatibility".

But even if that is not true (although i see no reason to doubt RT on this), it doesn't affect my point about the descriptive quality of the name-a true RAPTOR is a patternless animal.

 

[SaSobek]

the patternless part of the RAPTOR is a "Patternless stripe"
"patternless stripe" = stripe X reverse stripe

it is not and has no relation to the murphy's patternless

they are two different things you guys are useing the word patternless like it can only be one thing. its like saying its an albino. ok what kind of albino ? bell, tremper, rainwater?

if you guys can say there is 3 different albinos, 4 different types of snows (mack, line bred, tug, and gem) why is it so hard to think there are 2 different patternless?

its not rocket science people. just my oppinion