POLL - NAMING MORPHS

[malt_geckos]

I don't think combination morphs deserve their own new name, only NEW genetic traits or signature line bred morphs.

However, I believe that there should be some sort of standardized system that we can all abide by. Why can't it be done? A few years back, my mom used to be into orchids. There is an orchid society. My aunt bred angel fish. There is an angel fish society. We breed leopard geckos. Why can't there be a leopard gecko society? Kind of like a governing body for leopard gecko breeders. One that creates standards on issues such as this. A group of people that have the "final say" I guess.

The "Leopard Gecko Society" could have people that want to be members sign up, and pay dues, much like the other societies. In turn they would be "Certified Leopard Gecko Society" members, and would abide by the set standards. I don't know. Just a thought. Seems to me, its the way to go, and would solve this whole debate.

Jared, great idea.

Wait a minute, are you the Jared I think you are? Do you go to UCF? I carpooled with a Jared who was an electrical engineer major, had a "few reptiles", played paintball, and liked Hatebreed.

Anywho, does this sound like a good, possible, idea to anyone else...this "Leopard Gecko Society"...?

Matt

 

[SteveB]

I do see a lot of "heartfelt" posts that basically boil down to "All you big successful breeders, could you please, please be reasonable and do it MY way?"

Funny, I thought the majority of the people contributing to this discussion were successful breeders, many of them big in reputation and/or scale.

This just seems to be escalating... the debate now seems to be if terms like "dreamsickle" have equal validity to terms like "electric tangerine"



Here's a suggestion... not sure if it's at all realistic... why don't we attribute some alphanumeric key to ALL the known traits. That way you can call your bloodlines and morphs anything you want, as long as you also label it with that key. Much like what tremper attempted to do with the name raptor, except that the terms he used are highly debated.

I.E. I'm going to call my albino eclipse carrot tail hypo snow a Red Ghost (A-T/E/C/H/s)

Crazy? Unnecessary? Just something I pulled out of my carrot tail.

 

[Gazz]

I'm not a fan of made up names on combo morphs.I think that primery morphs shouldn't be over rake.By all mean if you get a primery morph call it what you like could even be the most stupid name in the world as it's primery and yours.Like lottiz Black velvet(not a stupid name) hopfully this will be proven beyond doutb genetic in some form or other in the nexted couple of year and will be are next primery morph.But like blazing blizzard,hybino/sunglow i'm not a fan of personally as there combo's of primery i think they should be albino blizzard,albino hypo,albino super hypo'etc.Coz in there prime they did not sell coz of a fancy name,Any one hear got a albino patternless ?? what made you buy it the facted it had a fancy name? NO! coz they didn't get one did they.You brought it coz of the genetics and you like the look of it and that's the same reason you payed what you did when the albino blizzard and a albino hypo'etc was it there prime.Saying Tremper albino mack snow eclipse enigma'etc may get long at times but i know now what genetic are involed and there nothing wrong with (Ta'Ms'Ec'En) short slanging it.After all 90% you all know what (Sh'T'Ct'B) means and if you don't it soon comes to you.

When it come to tangerine strains/hypo tangerine strains projects work on for years and give a little more than you use to.Like tangerine tornados,electric tangerines,firewater'etc i think there leo's should be stated for what they are.But if it a strain of this morph you should just use your business name or surname so Tangerine tornados-TUG(OR)Stewart(Sh'T'Ct'B),Electric tangerine-HISS(OR)Hammack-(Tangerine/hypo tangerine/Sh't),Firewater-HOT(OR)Lubinsky-(rainwater albino tangerine).Non of this is likly to change and is just my opinion as man is a very set in there way species and when it's chosen that's the way it's done.Very rarly do things change.

 

[A&M Gecko]

Alberto, I am not sure why it seems you are directing most of your arguments towards me, but MANY others have expressed their opinions and feelings on this informative and interesting thread that have been much more direct than I have. I have not seen one single person (me included) single-out any particular breeder, so I'm sorry if you are taking it as a personal attack.

When I quote something I am answering to those questions and the most important question I want to answer are yours, I use the name of the person I quote, in this case yours. I do not think this is a personal attack but it has been started, in my opinion, absolutely the wrong way from you, the poll choices to be the first. Sarcasm and mix choices are not the the right start and I see a lot of it in the choices you posted.

No one is suggesting that we 'start from scratch' with naming morphs... they are suggesting that we ALL need to take into consideration the frustration and confusion the general community is having keeping track of all the names breeders are giving their 'new' combination morphs in the future.

Yes, Marcia, I am suggesting it, is either we correct all wrongs or we deal with all of them. Why start from me now? Lets delete all naming things, either it is a combo morph or a selective bred line to make the things more clear for us all, as you stated. I will be the first to go on that wagon when it is reset.
I am not eccepting that everyone before me has capitalized on their naming things and I have to be the sacrified victim here, lets not lie about this, this is not ego but is the business part of our hobby wheter you like it or not. I have busted my .... for over 10 years in the leopard gecko comunity and this is the most exciting year for me and I will do my best as business person to do what I think is the best for it. The big problem here is that I am not afraid to say it in front of everyone, this is the business part of it, not ego.
Alberto

 

[Jeremy Letkey]

Leopard Gecko Society, Leopard Gecko Registry or Reptile Registry. What ever you wish to call it, in my opinion simply will not work. A community with the diversity and differences in opinion that we have in the leopard geckos community would not be able to agree on anything. Standards, definitions and even the basic genetics are still all debatable.

This has been tried and failed before.

Who makes the rules????????

 

[Golden Gate Geckos]

a governing body for leopard gecko breeders. One that creates standards on issues such as this. A group of people that have the "final say" I guess.

This has been attempted in the past, but the problem is getting everyone to participate, and it failed miserably. Probably for the same reasons that this thread is so controversial... not everyone is willing to give up the way they are currently doing things.

 

[malt_geckos]

Oh, I didn't know that. Hummm....back to the drawing board...

Matt

 

[SteveB]

My proposed key would be something like-

Ax = albino where x is replaced with t, b, r to represent the strain
ax = het albino where x is replaced with t, b, r to represent the strain
Cx= carrot tail where x is replaced with a number representing the percent
H = super hypo
h = hypo
S = super snow
s = snow
B = blizzard
b = het blizzard
M = murphy patternless
m = het murphy patternless
T = tangerine
E = enigma
R = red eye
r = eclipse
Px = pattern morph, with x replaced by s for stripe, r for reverse stripe, j for jungle, a for abberant, and p for patternless stripe

 

[Jeremy Letkey]

I do not think that the alphabet soup route would work. There are too many morphs that have the same letters. It would in my opinion be just as confusing as a name.

 

[A&M Gecko]

Leopard Gecko Society, Leopard Gecko Registry or Reptile Registry. What ever you wish to call it, in my opinion simply will not work. A community with the diversity and differences in opinion that we have in the leopard geckos community would not be able to agree on anything. Standards, definitions and even the basic genetics are still all debatable.

This has been tried and failed before.

Who makes the rules????????

Jeremy
if anyone can make something like this work I will be the first to be a full partecipant, untill then this debate is meaningless and will go no where. Just as simple as I stated many times before, lets be nice and agree to disagree, is the best solution.
Alberto

 

[Golden Gate Geckos]

I do not think this is a personal attack but it has been started, in my opinion, absolutely the wrong way from you, the poll choices to be the first. Sarcasm and mix choices are not the the right start and I see a lot of it in the choices you posted.

Alberto, I am sorry if I didn't consult with you (or everyone else) to include the poll option choices you would have liked to have on the POLL. You can be upset with me all you want for posting the poll, but it seems that most people are 'overall' satisfied with the general choices.

If you will notice, the first option is, "I think it's great! Bring 'em on! The more morphs and names the better!" and the last option is, "Who cares!". Only 7.3% of the people who voted chose these options!

I did not intend for the options to be 'sarcastic'... just tried to make them a little more fun.

 

[Greyscale_Geckos]

I definitely agree that a letter code would be too confusing. Letters in general won't work because it's obvious that there are certain people who are going to refuse to even use accurate abbreviations for combo morphs.

The goal should be for the community to find at least something they can agree on. Besides, all morphs (even the new combos with interesting names) will need to be explained what they are genetically. Anyone can give a combo morph a name, but it's the genetics in the first place the place it apart. However, people should aim for more understandable names when choosing "new" combo morph names over say just a long descriptive name.

 

[Okee Reps]

I think this is getting out of hand and really makes no sense anyway so...........allow me to put my 2 cents of worthlessness in as well.

As a consumer I like the names, I liked the blazing blizzard and RAPTOR and all that stuff. It wasn't until I started breeding that I gave a Rat's.......you know about the genetics. I think we are looking at this wrong. Mike and some of the others are right. All those long names do is scare people off. A Super Snow Enigma Tremper Patternless Albino Blizzard is not a good name for a morph. It's the genetic make up but a good name I think not.

I think most of us are looking at it from a breeder's prospective and so we want to know what makes what. Like with Ball Pythons someone will make a site that tells you what makes what and then you can just refer people to it. I think GeckoAddiction or something like that had a cool one. If you are really passionate about something you will spend a little time and do some research I mean my god how hard is to find out what genetically makes up a (sorry Matt) "Black Hole".

**BTW if you don't like the name then don't use it. If there is only one person calling a morph Starscream then it really isn't called that is it?

 

[A&M Gecko]

Alberto, I am sorry if I didn't consult with you (or everyone else) to include the poll option choices you would have liked to have on the POLL. You can be upset with me all you want for posting the poll, but it seems that most people are 'overall' satisfied with the general choices.

If you will notice, the first option is, "I think it's great! Bring 'em on! The more morphs and names the better!" and the last option is, "Who cares!". Only 7.3% of the people who voted chose these options!

I did not intend for the options to be 'sarcastic'... just tried to make them a little more fun.

Well, I am also sorry I didn't consult you when I deceide to make new names up for combo morphs like everyone else has been doing in the past. No one consulted me when they made their name up and nothing like this has ever happened to those who did, so what's up? Why is it a problem now for me?
Alberto

 

[Jeremy Letkey]

Jeremy
if anyone can make something like this work I will be the first to be a full partecipant, untill then this debate is meaningless and will go no where. Just as simple as I stated many times before, lets be nice and agree to disagree, is the best solution.
Alberto

That's the point, it won't work unless we all participate. We won't participate unless it works. It's a catch 22.

I agree that we will all have to agree to disagree. lol

 

[SteveB]

**BTW if you don't like the name then don't use it. If there is only one person calling a morph Starscream then it really isn't called that is it?

No, but if only one person is calling a morph starscream and they're charging more for it without properly disclosing that it is a perfectly common morph... you see where I'm going.

We don't need new names everytime someone has a whim. We don't need new names from the breeders out to make a buck. We need a hobbyist driven community where newcomers and old pros alike are protected from marketing hype.

 

[A&M Gecko]

I think this is getting out of hand and really makes no sense anyway so...........allow me to put my 2 cents of worthlessness in as well.

As a consumer I like the names, I liked the blazing blizzard and RAPTOR and all that stuff. It wasn't until I started breeding that I gave a Rat's.......you know about the genetics. I think we are looking at this wrong. Mike and some of the others are right. All those long names do is scare people off. A Super Snow Enigma Tremper Patternless Albino Blizzard is not a good name for a morph. It's the genetic make up but a good name I think not.

I think most of us are looking at it from a breeder's prospective and so we want to know what makes what. Like with Ball Pythons someone will make a site that tells you what makes what and then you can just refer people to it. I think GeckoAddiction or something like that had a cool one. If you are really passionate about something you will spend a little time and do some research I mean my god how hard is to find out what genetically makes up a (sorry Matt) "Black Hole".

**BTW if you don't like the name then don't use it. If there is only one person calling a morph Starscream then it really isn't called that is it?

I agree 100%

 

[Greyscale_Geckos]

Well, I am also sorry I didn't consult you when I deceide to make new names up for combo morphs like everyone else has been doing in the past. No one consulted me when they made their name up and nothing like this has ever happened to those who did, so what's up? Why is it a problem now for me?
Alberto

Alberto,

I think you are taking this way out of hand. It isn't specifically a nitpicking at you, but this thread is directed in the direction of those who have been putting out new names for combo morphs. Also, the only reason your combo morph names have been getting so much attention is because you're popping them out like crazy. Note: by producing these combo morphs you are contributing a lot to the community, and that is never a bad thing. No one can deny how stunning those enigma combos are.

However, with all of the new combo morph names things can get confusing for more and more new members of the community, and even people who have been here for awhile. This is the point of this thread, to get the opinions of general members of the community and even other breeders so it can be seen what everyone really thinks about all of the new names that have been popping up.

Like you said yourself, it just isn't you, this thread is aimed at others besides yourself--- And I would go so far as to say that it is aimed at the community as a whole in order to do something about the future of names of morphs.

 

[Okee Reps]

No, but if only one person is calling a morph starscream and they're charging more for it without properly disclosing that it is a perfectly common morph... you see where I'm going.

I don't like this thread because it's full of bickering so this is all I'm going to say. If you buy ANYTHING and don't know what it is, you deserve what you get. I know if I'm going to spend my money on something I'm going to do a little research first.

 

[A&M Gecko]

No, but if only one person is calling a morph starscream and they're charging more for it without properly disclosing that it is a perfectly common morph... you see where I'm going.

This persons business will be over in no time in my opinion. But if a person is calling it starscream and states exactly what the animal is and what breeding has been done to achive it, where is the wrong in that? You can, after purchasing it call it for the genetic that has been used to make it instead of starscream, I do not see any harm done to buyer or seller in this case.