Has is been proven that blizzard eclipse is NOT or IS the same as Tremper eclipse ??

[Gazz]

I would bet money that would be true!

Yes highly likly coz it has striped blood but i don't think they are recessive they have been bred for the strain so long that it act's recessive but is a inherited trait that why stripe X stripe can result in stripe/jungle/abberant and normal banded-(Both sperm and egg have varid genetic info about the parents so it's luck of the draw on with sperm get which egg).Best way to know for sure is to breed a stripe to a wild/wild brand new blood no chance of stripe acestory at all so no if's but's or maybe's are involed see what the result is in F1 offsring if simple recessive they'd all be normal het striped would't that be case closed ?.

 

[marula]

i never reproduce stripes...
but...
..i don't think kelli said that are recessive if she don't be sure of that...and i think is one fo the most indicate person to have an idea about the genetic of the stripe gene (and the stripe bloodline)
who here have more experience of her in breeding stripes?
the kind of stripe can be various (like for all others kind of morph)...so i assumed that can be a clear and total stripe or not...
i'm not sure that the exsample of wild tipe breed to a stripe can help: some morph and bloodline for working well need to be breed with a "fixed" line...
this is the reason why i'm pretty sure that if i breed a raptor with a wild tipe i can't be call babies "het raptor"...

 

[Gazz]

i never reproduce stripes...
but...
..i don't think kelli said that are recessive if she don't be sure of that...and i think is one fo the most indicate person to have an idea about the genetic of the stripe gene (and the stripe bloodline)
who here have more experience of her in breeding stripes?
the kind of stripe can be various (like for all others kind of morph)...so i assumed that can be a clear and total stripe or not...
i'm not sure that the exsample of wild tipe breed to a stripe can help: some morph and bloodline for working well need to be breed with a "fixed" line...
this is the reason why i'm pretty sure that if i breed a raptor with a wild tipe i can't be call babies "het raptor"...

No she did say ACTS like not that it was recessive.Which is what i think it is also.

I think you would be able to call offspring of a RAPTOR x wild type het RAPTOR coz they will inherit all the RAPTOR traits that info if male will be held in the sperm of the leo if female that info will be held in the eggs.So if the offspring are bred to each other of a New blood RAPTOR it's very likly you'd get a RAPTOR.

Ar what i've just wrote i see what you mean what i've just wrote is not recessive but it act's as so.So you won't quite know wheather it's true recessive or just acting recessive as the end result the same.

 

[marula]

I think you would be able to call offspring of a RAPTOR x wild type het RAPTOR coz they will inherit all the RAPTOR traits that info if male will be held in the sperm of the leo if female that info will be held in the eggs.So if the offspring are bred to each other of a New blood RAPTOR it's very likly you'd get a RAPTOR.

Ar just wrote i see what you mean what i've just wrote is not recessive but it act's as so.So you won't quite know wheather it's true recessive or just acting recessive as the end result the same.

now i understand
regarding raptor...i have got some ifferent breeding results...if you breed a raptor with a different bloodline, the offspring, breed togheter, don't give raptors...i think is a bloodline question too :thinking:
regarding stripes..yes..she said "look acting like recessive"...and not "is recessive"...but the end the result (at this point of the reserch) is the same..
(you have a really ability to explain and use the words is really simple understand your posts)

 

[robin]

You can't compare a Stripe cornsnake to a Stripe Leopard gecko if you consider those banded geckos Stripes. I do not consider them Stripes, and if it were truly simple genetic, I don't believe they woud have bands at all. Stripe Cornsnakes do not have saddles (bands) on there backs at all, the only variation you will see is unconnected striping, which is certainly not the same thing as a banded gecko with one little spot on its tail being connected (However, Motley cornsnakes can be selectively bred to be banded - but that's a different proven recessive gene entirely).

You can breed a line bred / selective / polygenetic (whatever the word of the day is, it's all relatively the same) so much in a line that it's strong enough to act recessive, but that doesn't mean it is.

But, I've said this all before, sometimes I feel like a broken record. :main_yes:

yes and generally broken records are broke for a reason :yes:

 

[robin]

I would bet money that would be true!

i will even go out farther on a limb here and bet if we took that baby kelli produced this year (lets say it was a female) and paired if up with felicia's. i bet she would get all stripes as well

 

[robin]

Yes highly likly coz it has striped blood but i don't think they are recessive they have been bred for the strain so long that it act's recessive but is a inherited trait that why stripe X stripe can result in stripe/jungle/abberant and normal banded-(Both sperm and egg have varid genetic info about the parents so it's luck of the draw on with sperm get which egg).Best way to know for sure is to breed a stripe to a wild/wild brand new blood no chance of stripe acestory at all so no if's but's or maybe's are involed see what the result is in F1 offsring if simple recessive they'd all be normal het striped would't that be case closed ?.

moms and pop were not from the outcome of line breeding. they are around eh i think 6 years old now came from different breeders and when bred together (at my house) i produced 100% stripes for three seasons in a row. kelli has had toughie with her since the first year i produced them. she has made hets from him (normal looking geckos that carry the stripe gene) and made stripes from regular stripes to bell stripes to red stripes.

 

[robin]

No she did say ACTS like not that it was recessive.Which is what i think it is also.

I think you would be able to call offspring of a RAPTOR x wild type het RAPTOR coz they will inherit all the RAPTOR traits that info if male will be held in the sperm of the leo if female that info will be held in the eggs.So if the offspring are bred to each other of a New blood RAPTOR it's very likly you'd get a RAPTOR.

Ar what i've just wrote i see what you mean what i've just wrote is not recessive but it act's as so.So you won't quite know wheather it's true recessive or just acting recessive as the end result the same.

raptors well the body patterning they were born (wich is a reversed stripe) is a stripe. so saying breeding them to a wild type you would not (according you you because stripe is not recessive) have het raptors

 

[robin]

now i understand
regarding raptor...i have got some ifferent breeding results...if you breed a raptor with a different bloodline, the offspring, breed togheter, don't give raptors...i think is a bloodline question too :thinking:

from these breedings did you get any stripes or albinos?

 

[KelliH]

I think the baby I hatched is a male too, at least it was incubated for male.

 

[Gazz]

raptors well the body patterning they were born (wich is a reversed stripe) is a stripe. so saying breeding them to a wild type you would not (according you you because stripe is not recessive) have het raptors

It's not recessive jungle/striped/reverse are ther result of line breeding but coz it's well in the gene it come out and acts like a recessive.it's inherited pass on like big ears & nose'etc in humans it never 100% on the results.Dad with big ear X mum with regular = 50/50 chance of offsping getting big ear.dad with big ear X mum with big ears = a higher chance but not 100% more like 90% chance of offspring getting big ears.With albino X albino its 100% chance coz both sprem & egg have albino info.With stripe X sripe/jungle X jungle the info in the sperm & egg can vary you can call a het RAPTOR coz the sperm or egg depents on sex will inherit (albino-100%,eclips-100% so it said,reverse striped,striped,jungle,abberant,tangerine,carrottail,is all possible depending what sperm meet what egg.

Please remember ACTS recessive in pretty much every way.That even the the het part.If a RAPTOR was true recessive it would be RAPTOR X RAPTOR = 100% RAPTOR but this has never happened as to my knowlage.You need both sperm and egg to have all the right info and the only 100%'s are albino & eclipse

 

[Gazz]

moms and pop were not from the outcome of line breeding.

Not them directly but there ancesters.Where taiking years back and by now the pattern is well and truly fixed.

 

[robin]

these geckos are not OLD old but they are not young. but way before raptors and stuff

 

[robin]

It's not recessive jungle/striped/reverse are ther result of line breeding but coz it's well in the gene it come out and acts like a recessive.it's inherited pass on like big ears & nose'etc in humans it never 100% on the results.Dad with big ear X mum with regular = 50/50 chance of offsping getting big ear.dad with big ear X mum with big ears = a higher chance but not 100% more like 90% chance of offspring getting big ears.With albino X albino its 100% chance coz both sprem & egg have albino info.With stripe X sripe/jungle X jungle the info in the sperm & egg can vary you can call a het RAPTOR coz the sperm or egg depents on sex will inherit (albino-100%,eclips-100% so it said,reverse striped,striped,jungle,abberant,tangerine,carrottail,is all possible depending what sperm meet what egg.

Please remember ACTS recessive in pretty much every way.That even the the het part.If a RAPTOR was true recessive it would be RAPTOR X RAPTOR = 100% RAPTOR but this has never happened as to my knowlage.You need both sperm and egg to have all the right info and the only 100%'s are albino & eclipse

that made my eyes bleed.


so you are saying 100% stripes in 4 seasons plus outcrossed to produce hets and breeding those offspring back together and getting stripes. isnt a recessive gene?

 

[robin]

oh yeah gzzz another question. have you worked with stripe and stripe hets before? done test breeding of your own?

 

[marula]

from these breedings did you get any stripes or albinos?

yes..from a (raptor x normal) X (raptor x normal) i see some albino and some aberrant...no stripe...no reverse...
..but i have the idea that the european raptor blood line are the big influences of not fixed bloodline...here you can compare different bloodline beceuse here THERE ARE different bloodline (fixed bloodline)..
in europe (expecially in italy) is not really simple...

just one thing: people in italy think that from a NN patternless x raptor they hatchling patterness aptor...

 

[Gazz]

oh yeah gzzz another question. have you worked with stripe and stripe hets before? done test breeding of your own?

Just coz you've never been to scouts dosen't meen you don't know how to make fire.I had rep's long enough to work out how the genetics work.

I've not bred stripes in a big way no but that still dosen't help you argument coz i know a man that does :main_thumbsup: i prefer more banded leo's i've had a stripe before yes bred it to a banded got abberant normals & banded.I bred back a pair of the young back got more abberant & jungle JUST if simple recessive i should have got stripes but there not and coz i bred the stripe out to a banded which poluted the flow of the pattern i got no stripes.If striped was simple recessive it would be stripe X stripe = 100% stripe not just for you but for every one that ever bred them and that's never been so.

I think we wil have to agree to disagree .

 

[robin]

ok so you have bred one pair and their offspring and know someone else who has.
tell me is there a difference between line bred hypos and dominant hypos?

 

[robin]

i prefer more banded leo's i've had a stripe before yes bred it to a banded got abberant normals & banded.I bred back a pair of the young back got more abberant & jungle JUST if simple recessive i should have got stripes but there not and coz i bred the stripe out to a banded which poluted the flow of the pattern i got no stripes.I

do you honestly think a jungle is not the same gene at work as the stripe? jungle, stripe, reversed stripe it's all the same gene

 

[Gazz]

do you honestly think a jungle is not the same gene at work as the stripe? jungle, stripe, reversed stripe it's all the same gene

Yes pretty much jungle result of line breeding abberants,Stripes result of line breeding jungles.I will admit the reverse has me a little on how it was created but i still know it's not simple recessive coz of the results from there breeding i've seen but it looks to be kind of both bold stripe and dorsal stripe together.