I think that compiling the concrete data (absolute facts) from different people will be very helpful......but to make generalizations based on opinions and from data gathered from small (in the real scheme of things) populations may be a little tricky though.
I personally have 7 enigmas in my possession. I have hatched out 12 to date. I have not witnessed the problems in any of my animals that are being discussed here. I have outcrossed all mine with tremper animals so far. Now I am working on test breeding by crossing with the Bell line as well as continuing forward with Tremper line crosses and non-albino crosses. All of the information will be obviously honestly, and fully disclosed to the community and potential buyers....which is, in my opinion, the most important part of breeding and selling these animals.
But I dont consider the amount of animals I have worked with so far....or quite honestly, even after this breeding season, a sufficient quanitity or genetically diverse pool to make generalizations about any of these subjects. The best I think I can do is disclose all the related data as it becomes available and then the community can compile a massive data pool compiled from many breeders to be looked at by all.
It is a trickier proposition though I think than many may be admitting at the onset here. There are many genetic areas that are a major concern when making generalizations from data. For example.....
What if a lot of the enigmas that are being worked with, with Bell line animals, came from a genetic pool that Kelli was working with mostly but not enitrely. Could it possibly have been a few animals she had worked with that had the trait, and not others so that not all the Bell line enigmas would have the trait but some would?
Then how would we know who got animals from which set of animals?.....PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE understand I am not making ANY statements about Kelli's animals.....All of my enigmas came from her and I couldnt be happier with the animals or her as a person
...I am simply using her as an example because she is a person that has worked with these very early on. But how could we make an accurate statement even concerning Bell line enigmas if we dont know where the originals came from?....It could take years to work it out and still be a very very difficult process to do accurately enough to make any concrete statements about them.
That is why I think full, honest disclosure of the animals we put out is the real key.....and part of that is, again in my opinion, not being too harsh with our words towards poeople that may be doing crosses we might not especially agree with at any given time......would you fully disclose work you are doing if you thought you would be tied to the whipping post folks?.....
Lets face it....there is going to be alot of "strange" things done with these enimgas.....we simply can NOT prevent it......no matter how much we talk about it being "unethical".....I think stressing the importance of an organized honest disclosure of information of findings and trying to keep generalizations out of the picture for a while, will get us, as concerned hobbyists, to our ultimate goals cleaner and faster. This is all just my humble opinion and certainly not meant to pass judgement on the opinions of others.
I personally have 7 enigmas in my possession. I have hatched out 12 to date. I have not witnessed the problems in any of my animals that are being discussed here. I have outcrossed all mine with tremper animals so far. Now I am working on test breeding by crossing with the Bell line as well as continuing forward with Tremper line crosses and non-albino crosses. All of the information will be obviously honestly, and fully disclosed to the community and potential buyers....which is, in my opinion, the most important part of breeding and selling these animals.
But I dont consider the amount of animals I have worked with so far....or quite honestly, even after this breeding season, a sufficient quanitity or genetically diverse pool to make generalizations about any of these subjects. The best I think I can do is disclose all the related data as it becomes available and then the community can compile a massive data pool compiled from many breeders to be looked at by all.
It is a trickier proposition though I think than many may be admitting at the onset here. There are many genetic areas that are a major concern when making generalizations from data. For example.....
What if a lot of the enigmas that are being worked with, with Bell line animals, came from a genetic pool that Kelli was working with mostly but not enitrely. Could it possibly have been a few animals she had worked with that had the trait, and not others so that not all the Bell line enigmas would have the trait but some would?
Then how would we know who got animals from which set of animals?.....PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE understand I am not making ANY statements about Kelli's animals.....All of my enigmas came from her and I couldnt be happier with the animals or her as a person
...I am simply using her as an example because she is a person that has worked with these very early on. But how could we make an accurate statement even concerning Bell line enigmas if we dont know where the originals came from?....It could take years to work it out and still be a very very difficult process to do accurately enough to make any concrete statements about them.That is why I think full, honest disclosure of the animals we put out is the real key.....and part of that is, again in my opinion, not being too harsh with our words towards poeople that may be doing crosses we might not especially agree with at any given time......would you fully disclose work you are doing if you thought you would be tied to the whipping post folks?.....
Lets face it....there is going to be alot of "strange" things done with these enimgas.....we simply can NOT prevent it......no matter how much we talk about it being "unethical".....I think stressing the importance of an organized honest disclosure of information of findings and trying to keep generalizations out of the picture for a while, will get us, as concerned hobbyists, to our ultimate goals cleaner and faster. This is all just my humble opinion and certainly not meant to pass judgement on the opinions of others.
