Ridiculous Prices

roger

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I have bought an awful lot of Tug animals.He is more expensive than the smaller breeders.The one good thing about big breeders like Tug is that he stands behind his product 100 % not that the smaller ones don't.. If I am not happy with something even if it is my fault,craig will do whatever he can to make it right.
 

acpart

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I see gecko buying as a balancing act: what do I need, what's available from breeders I know and trust (and I'd include people that I have a good feeling about based on their posts on GF even if they're not "known" or if I haven't bought a gecko from them before), how much does it cost. Sometimes I will check the sites of the more expensive breeders to see what they have and how much it's going for. Sometimes I have bought a cheaper gecko from one of the more expensive big-name breeders since the gecko will have a lower price (and not look as nice as the more expensive ones) but will still have the good genetics.

Aliza
 

RampantReptiles

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I have had some bad experiences and some have been from well known breeders and some from not so well knowns. The breeders that made things right were not always the well knowns and I still to this day hold a slight grudge towards people that did not make it right.
Big breeders do not always mean good breeders. Getting the cheap stuff from these big breeders may not equal quality animals and you should be wary.

2 pennies :D
 

Gregg M

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From my experience it seems that many people who get annoyed or offended by a nice reptile that has a high price tag are usually people who can not buy that animal for whatever reason... The price is not upsetting... not being able to buy that animal is... This happens in every market...

If someone wants to put a $500 price tag on a smoking tangerine, GOOD!!! I would love for the leo market to rise... It would be great if leos were not so cheap that someone can get a new leo for 25 bucks instead of taking their sick one to a vet or getting it treatment...

I cant wait for the day when prices are up!!! Maybe some of the good breeders who were pushed out by undercutters and market flooders can get back in the game... What is really rediculous is the fact that we might continue to lose great breeders because of undercutting and market crashing/flooding... Thats what we should be worried about... Who cares if someone puts a big price tag on their geckos... If you do not like the price, move on...
 

robin

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From my experience it seems that many people who get annoyed or offended by a nice reptile that has a high price tag are usually people who can not buy that animal for whatever reason... The price is not upsetting... not being able to buy that animal is... This happens in every market...

If someone wants to put a $500 price tag on a smoking tangerine, GOOD!!! I would love for the leo market to rise... It would be great if leos were not so cheap that someone can get a new leo for 25 bucks instead of taking their sick one to a vet or getting it treatment...

I cant wait for the day when prices are up!!! Maybe some of the good breeders who were pushed out by undercutters and market flooders can get back in the game... What is really rediculous is the fact that we might continue to lose great breeders because of undercutting and market crashing/flooding... Thats what we should be worried about... Who cares if someone puts a big price tag on their geckos... If you do not like the price, move on...

i hate to use this but
a BIG +1
 

robin

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From my experience it seems that many people who get annoyed or offended by a nice reptile that has a high price tag are usually people who can not buy that animal for whatever reason... The price is not upsetting... not being able to buy that animal is... This happens in every market...

If someone wants to put a $500 price tag on a smoking tangerine, GOOD!!! I would love for the leo market to rise... It would be great if leos were not so cheap that someone can get a new leo for 25 bucks instead of taking their sick one to a vet or getting it treatment...

I cant wait for the day when prices are up!!! Maybe some of the good breeders who were pushed out by undercutters and market flooders can get back in the game... What is really rediculous is the fact that we might continue to lose great breeders because of undercutting and market crashing/flooding... Thats what we should be worried about... Who cares if someone puts a big price tag on their geckos... If you do not like the price, move on...

i hate to use this but
a BIG +1

also i think that some times people get mad because they can not get prices like that for their geckos. i sure would love to get the prices the bigger breeders are asking but i know it's not going to happen, well not now, maybe in time.
 

chazthaking2

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i may not like what someone charges whether it be a high price or a low price BUT anyone can price anything at whatever they want. if a person chooses to buy X gecko for X price that is their business.

As I have learned, it does depend on the product yes but the price of a gecko is much of quality. I believe the effort and work of a breeder that they have put into their product does show in price. If you came out with your own morph its called monopolizing and guess what, if people want it they will buy it, no if ands or buts about it. As far as impulse buyers, I don't really agree, if the prices of these reptiles were so low then there wouldn't really be a business because anybody can get in, its not even really a sacrifice then. I myself have put so much into my business and still am not as big. I go to the biggest and buy the best. instead of making a bunch of little heres and theres. At one point in time I couldn't afford an enigma and now I have a lot.

If they ran for the price that people could more easily afford them back then, then they would be way cheaper then they were now, same goes for raptor. So I like the prices they separate the people that may not take it seriously to the people that do.
 

chazthaking2

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I own ball pythons and I realized after spending well over $3000 on them I only managed to get seven of them and none of the morphs are combined and only one was breedable. But at the end of the day I love it because if they were cheaper I would have had more and then its not as much fun to have to work hard to afford the next best thing
 

robin

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As I have learned, it does depend on the product yes but the price of a gecko is much of quality. I believe the effort and work of a breeder that they have put into their product does show in price. If you came out with your own morph its called monopolizing and guess what, if people want it they will buy it, no if ands or buts about it. As far as impulse buyers, I don't really agree, if the prices of these reptiles were so low then there wouldn't really be a business because anybody can get in, its not even really a sacrifice then. I myself have put so much into my business and still am not as big. I go to the biggest and buy the best. instead of making a bunch of little heres and theres. At one point in time I couldn't afford an enigma and now I have a lot.

If they ran for the price that people could more easily afford them back then, then they would be way cheaper then they were now, same goes for raptor. So I like the prices they separate the people that may not take it seriously to the people that do.

you may take just as good or better care of your animals than big breeder X and have quality bloodlines from all the big breeders but if you have not made a name for yourself you will not be able to get the same prices a big breeder X. it's plain and simple.
 

robin

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Don't really agree with what? You don't agree with the low-end prices or you don't agree that they are low enough to encourage impulse buys?

people get "addicted" to leos and MANY people make impulse buys regardless of price (high or low)
 

chazthaking2

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You are not a person I want to disagree with lol, I was reading and didn't realize it was yours until you responded back lol my bad...but this is what I think since I brought it up and you asked.

I was saying that even with those prices of 500-600 still allows an impulse buyer to exist in the higher more quality morphs and thats what I don't agree on because as long as the prices are where they are it allows morphs to stay out of range for awhile to an impulse buyer and eventually making it cheaper faster. Raptor is the perfect example started out as high thousands and look where they stand now. That is still a very quality reptile but because of the market it just wont reach that high anymore and if it started out as 5 or 600 where would it be now.
 

chazthaking2

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you may take just as good or better care of your animals than big breeder X and have quality bloodlines from all the big breeders but if you have not made a name for yourself you will not be able to get the same prices a big breeder X. it's plain and simple.

I do agree with that, and don't expect that but it does help with more of a trust with others knowing that I did buy from big breeders. I have seen so many geckos for sale from small breeders that I would love to get my hands on eventually so I am not downing any small breeder being that I am one myself.

I love this hobby a lot and would say that the best part at the end of the day is making a name for you. Its like being in school and you see the people graduating and you are just starting out. Everyone wishes to be the one graduating, but the person that is graduating had to go through a lot of hardship. I talk to those big breeders all the time and their life story about how they got to where they are now, I could hear it over and over again because I admire that just like I admire small breeders now. Don't mean to upset anybody if I did.
 

Tony C

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Raptor is the perfect example started out as high thousands and look where they stand now. That is still a very quality reptile but because of the market it just wont reach that high anymore and if it started out as 5 or 600 where would it be now.

Leopard geckos are too prolific to maintain high prices. When you have an animal that breed in less than a year after hatching, has a large number of offspring, are very hardy, and can be bred by anyone who can figure how to put two in the same cage, the market will be flooded within a very short time of a new morphs release. The only way to get a respectable price for a gecko in the long term is to build a good name.
 

robin

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You are not a person I want to disagree with lol, I was reading and didn't realize it was yours until you responded back lol my bad...but this is what I think since I brought it up and you asked.

I was saying that even with those prices of 500-600 still allows an impulse buyer to exist in the higher more quality morphs and thats what I don't agree on because as long as the prices are where they are it allows morphs to stay out of range for awhile to an impulse buyer and eventually making it cheaper faster. Raptor is the perfect example started out as high thousands and look where they stand now. That is still a very quality reptile but because of the market it just wont reach that high anymore and if it started out as 5 or 600 where would it be now.

i don't care if you disagree with me. i do not have a problem hehe ;)

i think that the $500 and $600 and even higher dollar morphs are fine. yes they are out of reach for many BUT it keeps the leo market going.
 

robin

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Leopard geckos are too prolific to maintain high prices. When you have an animal that breed in less than a year after hatching, has a large number of offspring, are very hardy, and can be bred by anyone who can figure how to put two in the same cage, the market will be flooded within a very short time of a new morphs release. The only way to get a respectable price for a gecko in the long term is to build a good name.

i completely agree with you Tony :D
 

chazthaking2

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Tony I agree, its true but prices play a big part too!

Robin I agree as well because it does keep it going for sure! Love those prices hate I can't always afford them lol I still sometimes want a Dream, but hey!
 

herpencounter

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The only gecko I ever bought on impulse cost me almost $300. Not a high amount, but just an example that a gecko doesn't have to be $30 to buy on impulse. I have no regrets on buying that gecko lol.

From my experience it seems that many people who get annoyed or offended by a nice reptile that has a high price tag are usually people who can not buy that animal for whatever reason... The price is not upsetting... not being able to buy that animal is... This happens in every market...

If someone wants to put a $500 price tag on a smoking tangerine, GOOD!!! I would love for the leo market to rise... It would be great if leos were not so cheap that someone can get a new leo for 25 bucks instead of taking their sick one to a vet or getting it treatment...

I cant wait for the day when prices are up!!! Maybe some of the good breeders who were pushed out by undercutters and market flooders can get back in the game... What is really rediculous is the fact that we might continue to lose great breeders because of undercutting and market crashing/flooding... Thats what we should be worried about... Who cares if someone puts a big price tag on their geckos... If you do not like the price, move on...

also i think that some times people get mad because they can not get prices like that for their geckos. i sure would love to get the prices the bigger breeders are asking but i know it's not going to happen, well not now, maybe in time.

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