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KelliH

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Has anyone thought that impact maybe only half the story ? What if impacted is only a end result.If a leo gets a intestine infection as a result can't have number 2's and it just builds up and up not just of sand but evey thing it eats as not all leo's go off there food strate away ??.The number of leo's dying of impact is farly small so is just as possible that leo's dying from so called impacted could have been on there way out anyway with internal problems of some kind or other that would't be so obvious to you and as a result ends as impact.

That right there is the most intelligent post in the entire thread. Kudos!
 

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robin said:
i wonder if in the wild they have humid hides, mealworm dishes and water dishes?

Dont forget the person that follows them around in the wild to put antibiotic ointments on them when they get cuts and scratches or drop a tail...:main_laugh:
 

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Gregg M said:
Dont forget the person that follows them around in the wild to put antibiotic ointments on them when they get cuts and scratches or drop a tail...:main_laugh:
yeah or helps them shed or get a stuck eyelid off and hepl them get rid of any parasites. even though i do think in the wild certain parasites may play a beneficial role in the overall health but of course in captivity when cooped in a small enclosure, is is when they become a problem. they can not get away from their poo and whatnot (even if we clean it everyday). i wonder of the bleach patrol comes by and cleans things too?
 

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KelliH said:
I'm not sure I understand what you are asking, can you rephrase the question?:)
I mean like, how many geckos do you mean by "big breeder"?
Im just wondering if when you say big breeders lose 1 or 2 you mean that if you have 500 geckos you lose one or two or if you have 50 geckso you lose one or two
 

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robin said:
in the wild certain parasites may play a beneficial role in the overall health

You know, its funny you say that... I have a few wild caught vipers in my collection and I have never had them wormed... A few are in my collection for over 2 years and they are thriving... You know what the secret is??? Leave them alone... Do not deworm or poke at them and they settle in just fine... All wild reptiles have a natural parasite load... Once you start worming bad things can happen especially in reptile that have slower metabolisms... Nothing can cause toxicity in a reptile faster than dead rotting parasites...

Sorry to go off topic...
 
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KelliH

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I mean like, how many geckos do you mean by "big breeder"?
Im just wondering if when you say big breeders lose 1 or 2 you mean that if you have 500 geckos you lose one or two or if you have 50 geckso you lose one or two

I mean breeders with a couple hundred+
 

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This may confuse some...

I try to stay out of these type of threads, but I wanted to give my two cents...

There's more to using paper towels than just preventing impaction and it's just as important... It makes clean up much easier which inturn provides a cleaner healthier environment.

This is not directed at anyone in particular...

As far as using sand, it's seems to most often come down to the keeper's desire to make things more pleasing to the eye. That leads me to believe such a person has leos to make another facet of themselves appealing to others. It's just like people who dress up their dogs in "cute" sweaters.
 

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420Geckos said:
That leads me to believe such a person has leos to make another facet of themselves appealing to others. It's just like people who dress up their dogs in "cute" sweaters.

Whats wrong with you??? Dressing your dog in cute sweaters is totally practical and functional... :main_laugh: LOL LOL:main_laugh:

On that note, there is nothing wrong with wanting to provide a natural looking set up for you reptilian captives...
 

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Gregg M said:
On that note, there is nothing wrong with wanting to provide a natural looking set up for you reptilian captives...

Are we really doing it for them? If someone truly believes that they ought to leave them be and just enjoy photos of them in the wild.
 
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so you are saying you believe that a captive reptile, is happier or better off in a plastic tub with a papertowel, versus maybe a large natural vivarium with plants, things to climb on, etc? just curious....
 

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jmkbama said:
so you are saying you believe that a captive reptile, is happier or better off in a plastic tub with a papertowel, versus maybe a large natural vivarium with plants, things to climb on, etc? just curious....

I never said anything against those things... To me it comes down to the health and well being of the animal. I will offer them the best enviornment that I think is suitable.
 

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Gazz said:
Afghanstain is only one example of leo's range with all the speices and sub'speices you can not pick out little bit and bobs to try and make your point.Point is if you go out in the field you will see a leo on rocks you will see them amoung grass even on more soil type flooring but you will also see a leo on SAND.What you won't see is a leo standing on a little square of kitchen roll paper :main_laugh: :main_thumbsup: .As for the fish thing ever herd of a salmon,eel,sturgeon,etc :p .compairing inviermental MUST HAVE'S in context for substates will not help you make you point.Putting a salt water fish in fresh water will kill it pretty much strate away if it not a speices that can't adapt to fresh water.Putting a leo on sand will not kill it and hasn't for me for the past 8 what ever years i've had leo's.
Here is a rough map of the leo's speices range.
Your not going to see a leo in the cage in the wild or with its own UTH:main_laugh: :main_thumbsup:. So I guess we shouldnt keep are leos in cages:main_laugh:
 

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420Geckos said:
It's just like people who dress up their dogs in "cute" sweaters.

Don't even go there :main_thumbsdown: I can't even wright what i would love to do to them type of people i'll just show you :behead: the only thing a dog should wear is a collar :main_thumbsup: they already have a coat :main_yes: and if you have a bold breed and think they need sweaters they don't they just need you to move to a warmer country or state :main_yes: .Or just don't buy a bold breed if you live in a cold place buy a breed that fits in every way of your life style even the type of wheather you have.

Dressing up dogs,cats what ever is just madness :mad: you want to dress thing up (babys) human children are for dressing up and embarrassing :main_thumbsup: .
 

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420Geckos said:
Are we really doing it for them?

In some cases, absolutely!!! I have some arboreal viper species that NEED a natural set up for climbing and hiding in foliage... The natural substrate I use also helps to keep the humidity up at the level they need to thrive... They also do not drink from water dishes so they need the plants, leaves, and branches to drink from and stay hydrated... So yeah, sometimes it is needed...
 

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Gregg M said:
In some cases, absolutely!!! I have some arboreal viper species that NEED a natural set up for climbing and hiding in foliage... The natural substrate I use also helps to keep the humidity up at the level they need to thrive... They also do not drink from water dishes so they need the plants, leaves, and branches to drink from and stay hydrated... So yeah, sometimes it is needed...
I agree, sometimes it is needed, animals that need high hummidity need a natural set-up. But leos no, they like it dry, paper towels,newspaper,or slate works just fine for them and has no risks of impaction. Sand as just a substrate for leos can cause other probs besides impaction, I have read several things on how it dries out their feet and can cause shedding problems in their feet.
 

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ReptileMan27 said:
Your not going to see a leo in the cage in the wild or with its own UTH:main_laugh: :main_thumbsup:. So I guess we shouldnt keep are leos in cages:main_laugh:


Sorry but that not the best come back in the world :main_thumbsup: :juggle2: .Point is they are in captivity not alot you can do about that as you can't release captive morph into the wild.They are a lot of animals in captivity that should really be but they are.Just coz they're ownd by humans dosen't mean they have to live like humans with sofa's,beds and color TV's ;) :main_rolleyes: .I use nature as my viv gide and try to folloing thing as close as possible.
 
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Gazz said:
Don't even go there :main_thumbsdown: I can't even wright what i would love to do to them type of people i'll just show you :behead: the only thing a dog should wear is a collar :main_thumbsup: they already have a coat :main_yes: and if you have a bold breed and think they need sweaters they don't they just need you to move to a warmer country or state :main_yes: .Or just don't buy a bold breed if you live in a cold place buy a breed that fits in every way of your life style even the type of wheather you have.

Dressing up dogs,cats what ever is just madness :mad: you want to dress thing up (babys) human children are for dressing up and embarrassing :main_thumbsup: .

Oh yeah well I dress my dog in sweaters/coats and shoes!! muhahaha
 

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Gazz said:
Sorry but that not the best come back in the world :main_thumbsup: :juggle2: .Point is they are in captivity not alot you can do about that as you can't release captive morph into the wild.They are a lot of animals in captivity that should really be but they are.Just coz they're ownd by humans dosen't mean they have to live like humans with sofa's,beds and color TV's ;) :main_rolleyes: .I use nature as my viv gide and try to folloing thing as close as possible.
Your right, you hit the nail right on the head:main_thumbsup:, their in captivity:main_thumbsup:, not the wild.
 

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GeckoMandi said:
Oh yeah well I dress my dog in sweaters/coats and shoes!! muhahaha


:main_thumbsdown: off with ya head :behead: .

Your dog in the first pic should have horn's and a fork it's the eyes you own a albino eclipse chihuahua :) .
 
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